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Voting closed: July 15, 2012, 02:31:16 am

[Toxicshadow]

This looks like a cool mod. Posting to watch, and hopfully help

Ty, and really the only thing I'd need help with would be ideas for more races and maybe translations. But with translations there is a certain style to how I'm going to make them.

[IndigoFenix]

Just because someone made a nasty Goblin Fortress once, doesn't mean that you can't do it right.

As for elves, here's an idea... Since they clearly have tons of wood, but it would be hypocritical for them to actually be chopping trees down (especially since they'd have to do it even more than dwarves, since wood is their only building material)... give them a special workshop that lets them produce wood logs at a steady pace for free.

Or, perhaps, give them access to one or more farmable 'wood plants' that can then be converted into actual wood logs at the workshop (by making the wood plants differentiated and biome-dependent, you could also connect the Elf game to the natural biome that they embark in, which seems very elfy, in the same way that Dwarves have to pay close attention to what they'll find underground).  You could say they use nature magic to create wood that 'wants' to be shaped.

I just can't picture elves actually clearing out forest space to build stuff, y'know?  Also it makes them even more elfishly annoying, since it implies that they won't share their secret of free wood-production with other races but still consider them barbarians for getting wood in the only way they are able to.

[Toxicshadow]

Just because someone made a nasty Goblin Fortress once, doesn't mean that you can't do it right.

As for elves, here's an idea... Since they clearly have tons of wood, but it would be hypocritical for them to actually be chopping trees down (especially since they'd have to do it even more than dwarves, since wood is their only building material)... give them a special workshop that lets them produce wood logs at a steady pace for free.

Or, perhaps, give them access to one or more farmable 'wood plants' that can then be converted into actual wood logs at the workshop (by making the wood plants differentiated and biome-dependent, you could also connect the Elf game to the natural biome that they embark in, which seems very elfy, in the same way that Dwarves have to pay close attention to what they'll find underground).  You could say they use nature magic to create wood that 'wants' to be shaped.

I just can't picture elves actually clearing out forest space to build stuff, y'know?  Also it makes them even more elfishly annoying, since it implies that they won't share their secret of free wood-production with other races but still consider them barbarians for getting wood in the only way they are able to.

It is kind of hypocritical for them to chop down forests yet the come over and tell you to stop cutting wood yourself. To be slightly realistic, maybe I could add a reed-like crop(such as a new bamboos?) and have it harvest raw reeds which are then taken to a special workshop where they're turned into logs. I'm not sure about the wood from nothing idea, I mean it would make sense that elves have that and don't share it, but I'm not sure how I'd imply that. Thank you very much for the suggestion.

[Hugo_The_Dwarf]

Why does noone know about RAKninja's Goblin Fortress? Lol it's a bit outdated now, but it's not the icky GF we all know about.

Plus growable trees I have, if you want to save some time on it. I think elves growing trees and processing them for logs sounds right. Elves dislike the clear cutting because then the forest is gone, were as if they grow trees and make sure everything is in perfect balance, all is well.

[Corai]

Why does noone know about RAKninja's Goblin Fortress? Lol it's a bit outdated now, but it's not the icky GF we all know about.

Plus growable trees I have, if you want to save some time on it. I think elves growing trees and processing them for logs sounds right. Elves dislike the clear cutting because then the forest is gone, were as if they grow trees and make sure everything is in perfect balance, all is well.

I see elven's thoughts of trees as


"This holds the soul of a dead man or woman. Thus it should not be touched." but thats just me, I dont see elves even thinking of growing trees just to be butchered.

[Toxicshadow]

Why does noone know about RAKninja's Goblin Fortress? Lol it's a bit outdated now, but it's not the icky GF we all know about.

Plus growable trees I have, if you want to save some time on it. I think elves growing trees and processing them for logs sounds right. Elves dislike the clear cutting because then the forest is gone, were as if they grow trees and make sure everything is in perfect balance, all is well.

I see elven's thoughts of trees as


"This holds the soul of a dead man or woman. Thus it should not be touched." but thats just me, I dont see elves even thinking of growing trees just to be butchered.

Ah, I was thinking of more "This is the gift we're given, lets make full use of it"
But that only worked because of how fast trees regrew. I do indeed like your philosophy better lol.

Why does noone know about RAKninja's Goblin Fortress? Lol it's a bit outdated now, but it's not the icky GF we all know about.

Plus growable trees I have, if you want to save some time on it. I think elves growing trees and processing them for logs sounds right. Elves dislike the clear cutting because then the forest is gone, were as if they grow trees and make sure everything is in perfect balance, all is well.

Mmmm could I see the growable trees you speak of? Just pm it


Alright, That's how Elves will work in the next update.(Soon, day after tomorrow maybe, tomorrow if I rush things)
Basically you grow trees as a plant, and then process the plant at a custom workshop which produces your logs. In that case I think I can remove their acceptance of Battle Axes because, imo, they'd be seen as horrible murderous weapons. Sort of like, if you were to walk into Walmart carrying a spiked club with a bloody corpse on it.

[Hugo_The_Dwarf]

Just remember who to thank for those raws took me forever to get all natural surface trees to be growable versions lol

[Toxicshadow]

Just remember who to thank for those raws took me forever to get all natural surface trees to be growable versions lol

lol Ofc I'll be giving you credit. I don't steal work. That is a lot, is that all the trees? That must have taken AGESSSSS, longer than just forever.

[Hugo_The_Dwarf]

Every tree that is not GOOD or EVIL. Only the natural ones.

[NRDL]

PTW

[Corai]

Every tree that is not GOOD or EVIL. Only the natural ones.

There are [GOOD] and [EVIL] trees? What? Do you mean the "dead" trees?

[Toxicshadow]

Every tree that is not GOOD or EVIL. Only the natural ones.

There are [GOOD] and [EVIL] trees? What? Do you mean the "dead" trees?

I believe he's referring to trees that are distinct to Good and Evil alignment regions.

[Hugo_The_Dwarf]

Every tree that is not GOOD or EVIL. Only the natural ones.

There are [GOOD] and [EVIL] trees? What? Do you mean the "dead" trees?

Glumprog and Featherwood

those kindof trees

Ninja'd

[GreatWyrmGold]

Maybe, instead of chopping trees, elves would have a special "Elven Grove" type of workshop where elves, using their Nature Magic skill, grow wood. The Grow Wood reaction (or whatever) would take one, preserved log, have a 10-25% chance of producing a copy of it, and perhaps a very small chance of producing a special, magical log.
Also, bark armor should be a bit different. Maybe something like first stripping off the bark from a log (turning it into "stripped wood," which should be less valuable and unuseable in the grove) and "X wood bark" (X being the tree type, and bark being a custom tool). Then, change the barky reactions to use bark.
In exchange, make elves learn melee skills other than swordselfship VERY slowly (swords being both a traditional elf weapon and the "Jack-Of-Both-Trades" slashing weapon, and therefore not as good as axes or spears for reasons given in the link). Also, consider giving them a reaction that they occasionally use in greeting that slows each down immensely for a while as they lazily chat.

[Toxicshadow]

Maybe, instead of chopping trees, elves would have a special "Elven Grove" type of workshop where elves, using their Nature Magic skill, grow wood. The Grow Wood reaction (or whatever) would take one, preserved log, have a 10-25% chance of producing a copy of it, and perhaps a very small chance of producing a special, magical log.
Also, bark armor should be a bit different. Maybe something like first stripping off the bark from a log (turning it into "stripped wood," which should be less valuable and unuseable in the grove) and "X wood bark" (X being the tree type, and bark being a custom tool). Then, change the barky reactions to use bark.
In exchange, make elves learn melee skills other than swordselfship VERY slowly (swords being both a traditional elf weapon and the "Jack-Of-Both-Trades" slashing weapon, and therefore not as good as axes or spears for reasons given in the link). Also, consider giving them a reaction that they occasionally use in greeting that slows each down immensely for a while as they lazily chat.

In the next update they're going to grow trees like a plant, which is then processed through its own workshop. And yeah, I was thinking about making bark its own item, really I just wanted to let elves make the wood armor/weapons that the tokens let them make.

I should make bark armor and wood armor 2 separate things, bark acts more like leather