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[Azri]

Good evening, Dwarf Fortress players. Some of you might remember the creepypasta I was writing that has fallen to the wayside due to IRL circumstances. I, like you, love Dwarf Fortress- and I have a friend that loves it as well, who helps moderate (by that I mean mostly does the moderating on) a terraria server with a focus on roleplay. Her name is Kamimaia, online- she can be quite the bitch if you break the rules, but otherwise is a great person to hang around with.

That brings us to the focus of today's message- an open letter to all Bay12'ers, who love to roleplay and love to play digging-games the likes of which haven't been often seen (Dwarf Fortress being the best among them, of course. The only lacking aspect is multiplayer function.)

Recently, Kamimaia and the other mods have taken it upon themselves to try and raise the bar for Terraria- they want better roleplayers than the usual drivel, and I know damn well that you guys can write some kickass stories about blood and gore and laughter. This, however, means that a number of the more horrible players (as Kamimaia has explained to me) had to go- and the server is gradually emptying, despite its new map, better rules and RPR system in the style of Arelith, from NWN (not sure what NWN is).

If you like Terraria, and you like Roleplaying, please submit an app to Caphori, and read the rules on the board to make sure you know what to do when you get there. You will not be disappointed.

Rules:
RPR: http://www.forums.hypergamer.net/terraria-caphori-roleplay-server/rprating-and-you/
Password App Thread: http://www.forums.hypergamer.net/terraria-caphori-roleplay-server/%28%28new%29%29-caphori-password-application-thread/
Board Central Location: http://www.forums.hypergamer.net/terraria-caphori-roleplay-server/caphori-rules-regulations-authorizations-%28poll%29/

Oh, one last thing. Kami's asked me to tell you guys to put 'Dwarf Fortress' as roleplaying experience, just so she can know who's coming from where.

Scratch that, one more thing. Kami knows how Dwarf Fortress people love their megaprojects. If you put 'Dwarf Fortress' as your RP experience on the App, and you want auths for building permissions beyond the norm, you'll more than likely get it from Kami right then and there, whenever.

STRIKE THE EARTH!

[LeoLeonardoIII]

I know Terraria isn't specifically "about" building, but in a game that features terrain modification so prominently is it really an appropriate approach to require permission to build whatever you want? That's like having to ask a WoW admin if you can kill something and take its stuff. It says something negative about the admin's controlling attitude that such a policy is even in place.

It's especially silly when there are so many other sandboxes to play in if one admin insists on rationing the sand.

EDIT: The RP Rating system seems like it's just a way to validate screwing with a player and banning him if he has the gall to have a powerful character, pursue some goal alone, or complaining about the RP rating system. The beatings will continue until morale improves!

Nuts to that. I've seen enough tabletop referees and server admins like this one to know shit when I smell it.

[Azri]

I think the restrictions are more so that one player doesn't dominate the entire map with a structure/new players have nowhere to build at all, than it is about controlling. Though, tbh, Kami is fairly controlling- so I could be entirely wrong.

[Detrevni|inverteD]

I know Terraria isn't specifically "about" building, but in a game that features terrain modification so prominently is it really an appropriate approach to require permission to build whatever you want? That's like having to ask a WoW admin if you can kill something and take its stuff. It says something negative about the admin's controlling attitude that such a policy is even in place.

It's especially silly when there are so many other sandboxes to play in if one admin insists on rationing the sand.

EDIT: The RP Rating system seems like it's just a way to validate screwing with a player and banning him if he has the gall to have a powerful character, pursue some goal alone, or complaining about the RP rating system. The beatings will continue until morale improves!

Nuts to that. I've seen enough tabletop referees and server admins like this one to know shit when I smell it.

After reading all the rules, I mimic these sentiments. The general attitude and wording of the rules, as well as the apparently tenaciously capricious personality of the "moderator" you talk about feels like I'm being punished already, seeing all these restrictions and constraints.
Why not simply detail the setting of the server, tell people they need to roleplay a character, and then remove people that can't do that? This seems extremely pedantic and arbitrary.

[moogmg]

I'm not sure I want to join a place that kicked people out  because they didn't' meet the "standard". 

[Roundabout Lout]

What they said, the thread title interested me, the rules made me want to puke.

[Neonivek]

Well if I was in the Terraria world I would immediately realise that the only way to properly help the world is to simply not play.

It is yet another game where you are essentially the guy where everything would have turned out great if you simply decided to stay home.

[Kamimaia]

Azri's getting a little sick of mediating, so I went ahead and made an account.

Yes, I realize the rules are massive and restricting - but they pretty much amount to 'Don't mess with others' stuff, don't be an asshat, don't fubar the map and don't make it so other players can't do things. Try and play a unique character while you're at it.'

Still, not really gonna defend myself or Caphori here. I asked Azri to pop us up, and see if anyone was interested - he's a lot better at typing friendly than I am. If you're interested, give us an app - if not, ok, sure, it was a long shot- but please don't let the rules and RPR throw you off. We're not as bad as all that, they're in place to give us justification in removing players when the rest of HGN wonders why we ban someone who's clogging up the forums with 'Y u ban me' comments. The other reason is that the majority of Terraria players don't roleplay, and are only getting interested in it, or interested only in Terraria. The rules/RPR give some guidelines to the RP-newb Player in terms of actually being successful in the venture. If you know how to roleplay? Fuck, don't even pay attention to the RPR. Do what you do, man.

But in all seriousness - why post a 'I'm not gonna try this'? That's pointless, save to get other people to not try it - when the worst that can happen is we say 'Yeah, you're not welcome here' and boot you, wasting maybe fifteen minutes of your time - or you decide we're not up to par with what you want, and leave yourself.

Try us or don't?

[LeoLeonardoIII]

Yes, I realize the rules are massive and restricting - but they pretty much amount to 'Don't mess with others' stuff, don't be an asshat, don't fubar the map and don't make it so other players can't do things. Try and play a unique character while you're at it.'

The rules list basically says "this is the very specific way I want you to play, and if you don't then you'll end up banned".

Still, not really gonna defend myself or Caphori here. I asked Azri to pop us up, and see if anyone was interested - he's a lot better at typing friendly than I am. If you're interested, give us an app - if not, ok, sure, it was a long shot- but please don't let the rules and RPR throw you off. We're not as bad as all that, they're in place to give us justification in removing players when the rest of HGN wonders why we ban someone who's clogging up the forums with 'Y u ban me' comments.

Every piece of text I've read so far about you and your admin style suggests it's heavyhanded and capricious. That includes your own words and Azri's. Basically, "come play here because you guys RP a lot, we lost our old players because they didn't RP right". And that's the most positive spin you guys could put on the scene.

The other reason is that the majority of Terraria players don't roleplay, and are only getting interested in it, or interested only in Terraria. The rules/RPR give some guidelines to the RP-newb Player in terms of actually being successful in the venture. If you know how to roleplay? Fuck, don't even pay attention to the RPR. Do what you do, man.

The rules don't offer any suggestions for roleplaying, only an exhortation to do it or else. Wearing a less-than-optimal hat isn't roleplaying, nor is saying "yep just decorating my house here" when nobody else is around.

But in all seriousness - why post a 'I'm not gonna try this'? That's pointless, save to get other people to not try it - when the worst that can happen is we say 'Yeah, you're not welcome here' and boot you, wasting maybe fifteen minutes of your time - or you decide we're not up to par with what you want, and leave yourself.

Try us or don't?

This is a forum where people talk about stuff. There are more options here for me to interact with than "play Kami's terraria" or "don't play Kami's terraria". I choose to do some other thing, which is evidently not exactly what you want. Luckily you can't lower my RP Rating for it.

[Kamimaia]

This is a forum where people talk about stuff. There are more options here for me to interact with than "play Kami's terraria" or "don't play Kami's terraria". I choose to do some other thing, which is evidently not exactly what you want. Luckily you can't lower my RP Rating for it.

If that's how you want to look at it, fine - but I was asking (note: asking.) for this thread to not be filled with drama hurf-durf or personal attacks that would turn people off more than an extensive set of rules would, as opposed to telling you that you have a binary choice.

[webadict]

This is a forum where people talk about stuff. There are more options here for me to interact with than "play Kami's terraria" or "don't play Kami's terraria". I choose to do some other thing, which is evidently not exactly what you want. Luckily you can't lower my RP Rating for it.

If that's how you want to look at it, fine - but I was asking (note: asking.) for this thread to not be filled with drama hurf-durf or personal attacks that would turn people off more than an extensive set of rules would, as opposed to telling you that you have a binary choice.

Honestly, we'd have more fun making things on our own than following those rules. We mean no offense to you, but those are really stringent rules that don't necessarily coincide with how we normally go about games.

I just don't want to use those fifteen minutes to be instantly turned away. Heck, you could find my playstyle bad, and I wouldn't know it until I was banned. That'd be a real waste of time.

[Detrevni|inverteD]

This is a forum where people talk about stuff. There are more options here for me to interact with than "play Kami's terraria" or "don't play Kami's terraria". I choose to do some other thing, which is evidently not exactly what you want. Luckily you can't lower my RP Rating for it.

If that's how you want to look at it, fine - but I was asking (note: asking.) for this thread to not be filled with drama hurf-durf or personal attacks that would turn people off more than an extensive set of rules would, as opposed to telling you that you have a binary choice.

I haven't seen a single personal attack in here; everything said has been relevant to the topic, and isn't so much "drama" as it is a general standpoint on what we've witnessed insofar. I'm sure the people that would want to try out your server would look into it and make a personal choice regardless of the general opinion of this thread so far, and you're only furthering the risk of any aforementioned "drama" by bringing up the fact, but nevertheless we can all try to rectify this, maybe:

What's the setting of the server? What kind of world are we in, and is there any kind of current continuing storyline that we can expect to get involved in?

These kind of roleplay-centric topics should be explored, rather than concentrating solely on ensuring that everyone understands and is willing to follow the very concrete iron-heel sounding rules. It's merely the tone over the content of the rules that I find rather arbitrary; one would expect a roleplay server to be more passionate about sharing a story and creating a friendly, all-welcoming atmosphere that people can get involved in and make friends, rather than "oh man 99% of people who play terraria are goddamn idiots, we NEED THESE RULES, AND LOTS OF THEM."

I hope this helps atleast somewhat to clear things up, because really the tone and atmosphere of the threads I've read so far only invite negativity through their school teacher-esque disciplinary explanations.

[Kamimaia]

A damn good point. Actually, scratch that. A damn good lot of points. I'll bring it up with Vels. Thank you.

[Moogie]

They can word their rules however they like. People will play it, or they won't. I'm not sure the intention of this thread was to gather suggestions for improving the "friendliness" of the server.

That is not to say I don't think discussion should exist here; just, I don't see the point of browbeating them into managing their server differently. Their server, their rules.

Just my 2p, as someone not at all interested in playing this, and equally uninterested in backseat-moderating their content.

[webadict]

They can word their rules however they like. People will play it, or they won't. I'm not sure the intention of this thread was to gather suggestions for improving the "friendliness" of the server.

That is not to say I don't think discussion should exist here; just, I don't see the point of browbeating them into managing their server differently. Their server, their rules.

Just my 2p, as someone not at all interested in playing this, and equally uninterested in backseat-moderating their content.

That's looking at it the wrong way. He's trying to make sure that what we find wrong with the server doesn't happen. This will entice more people to use it, thereby getting what both parties want.

It's not about us making them do anything they don't want to. But, if they'd be a little bit friendlier, it'd certainly help their cause. We really DON'T know what they expect from us, and that's why we're reluctant to try their product. I know I don't want to waste their time just as much as I don't want to have my time wasted.