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Icefire2314

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Training zone not training
« on: June 28, 2012, 09:08:37 pm »

I have caged animals in a training zone (Four stray untrained dogs and one untamed elk bird) And nothing is happening. Or does it just happen really slowly? Can I observe it happening? How does it work? The wiki doesn't go very in-depth on the zone.
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Re: Training zone not training
« Reply #1 on: June 28, 2012, 09:11:01 pm »

Can you take them out of the cages and pasture them?
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Re: Training zone not training
« Reply #2 on: June 28, 2012, 09:24:52 pm »

What you need to do is assign a trainer - use the Animals tab in the z-screen to assign trainers to wild animals. Training will then commence.
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Re: Training zone not training
« Reply #3 on: June 28, 2012, 09:27:33 pm »

Also, make sure you have placed the cages through the building menu. b - j (I think, I don't have DF running right now.)
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Re: Training zone not training
« Reply #4 on: June 28, 2012, 09:30:42 pm »

Also, make sure you have placed the cages through the building menu. b - j (I think, I don't have DF running right now.)
Cages don't have to be built - trainers will still train animals in cages outside training zones. The zones are used to free up cages, and to reinforce training for trained animals.
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Re: Training zone not training
« Reply #5 on: June 28, 2012, 09:33:11 pm »

Also, make sure you have placed the cages through the building menu. b - j (I think, I don't have DF running right now.)
Cages don't have to be built - trainers will still train animals in cages outside training zones. The zones are used to free up cages, and to reinforce training for trained animals.
I figured OP might want to let his animals out at some point.
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Re: Training zone not training
« Reply #6 on: June 28, 2012, 09:52:16 pm »

Also, make sure you have placed the cages through the building menu. b - j (I think, I don't have DF running right now.)
Cages don't have to be built - trainers will still train animals in cages outside training zones. The zones are used to free up cages, and to reinforce training for trained animals.
I figured OP might want to let his animals out at some point.
Agreed - freeing up the cages is a good idea once the animals are trained sufficiently. Assigning the animals directly to the training zone frees up cages without needing to construct/build those cages.
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Re: Training zone not training
« Reply #7 on: June 28, 2012, 10:17:27 pm »

Make sure the cages aren't in the training zone/pasture. If the animal is already in the pasture/training zone then the dwarf will believe it doesn't have to get the animal, and because it believes it doesn't have to get the animal, it wont try to remove the animal from its cage, and it can't train it in the cage, so the training doesn't happen.
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Re: Training zone not training
« Reply #8 on: June 28, 2012, 10:21:05 pm »

read up on the issue, page animal trainer on wiki

TAMING can happen in a cage when an animal is wild. DO NOT do this to animals captured in a siege, just kill those, they stay hostile.

TRAINING needs, usually, a training zone and an animal that is NOT in a cage

REINFORCEMENT of taming happens.... everywhere, but NOT in a cage


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Re: Training zone not training
« Reply #9 on: June 29, 2012, 12:32:22 am »

Make sure the cages aren't in the training zone/pasture. If the animal is already in the pasture/training zone then the dwarf will believe it doesn't have to get the animal, and because it believes it doesn't have to get the animal, it wont try to remove the animal from its cage, and it can't train it in the cage, so the training doesn't happen.
Are you sure about this?
I had a Yeti in a cage in a training zone + pasture, and he was still being trained regularly and i never took him out
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Re: Training zone not training
« Reply #10 on: June 29, 2012, 07:15:26 am »

The initial phase of training when they bring food to the cage still works, but the reinforcement training wont happen while the animal is in the cage. It needs to be removed in some way, most simply by assigning it to a pasture which doesn't include the cage.
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Re: Training zone not training
« Reply #11 on: June 29, 2012, 07:55:09 am »

TAMING can happen in a cage when an animal is wild. DO NOT do this to animals captured in a siege, just kill those, they stay hostile.
Are you absolutely sure about that?

Quote from: Release notes for 0.34.06 (March 23, 2012)
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   (*) Animals that have killed/attacked civ members no longer attack when trained
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Re: Training zone not training
« Reply #12 on: June 29, 2012, 08:01:00 am »

TAMING can happen in a cage when an animal is wild. DO NOT do this to animals captured in a siege, just kill those, they stay hostile.
Are you absolutely sure about that?

Quote from: Release notes for 0.34.06 (March 23, 2012)
Major bug fixes
   (*) Animals that have killed/attacked civ members no longer attack when trained

There were a few threads where animals caught in a siege were trained and then still added to the "other" list, unavailable in the animal menu. These threads were about either 34.07 or 34.11, so yes, I'm pretty positive. These animals often didn't even harm a dwarf but were immediately trapped by a cage. My guess is that the fix worked for wild animals like some of the cavern dwellers that attacked/killed dwarfs, not animals brought in a siege.

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Re: Training zone not training
« Reply #13 on: June 29, 2012, 09:20:49 am »

Ok, thanks all :D I was trying to train a cave crocodile the other day but I didn't know how to... I took him out of the cage and pastured him. Didn't turn out well for the dwarf... My military got some experience though :3
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