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[Tawa]

Has anyone tried sending a Hyper Trained Pokemon back to a previous generation? Do they lose the effects of Hyper Training? Or is it blocked entirely?

AFAIK you can't send Pokémon back to previous generations; the only games I recall allowing it were Gen 1 and Gen 2, and even then, it was heavily restricted. As far as I'm aware, new mechanics and hidden values added to each successive game make backwards compatibility impossible--heck, the way a Pokémon's sex was calculated in Gen 2 had the unfortunate implication of female Pokémon never being able to have the max Attack IV, because that particular number was the value that determined their sex, as adding any values not present in Gen 1 would either make backwards compatibility impossible or cause Pokémon to get sex changes from being swapped back and forth.

[Kanil]

What new stuff is added though? ORAS had moves you couldn't send back to XY and had ribbons that XY had to deal with. Only thing I can think of is region of origin... no idea if the gen 6 games have a catch-all "unknown region" thing when you feed them a pokemon from a region that didn't exist yet.

I'm also curious to know if it's possible.

[Akura]

Hyper Training data is definitely one. Not sure about region origin, as it very likely would use the same one they use for event distribution Pokemon.

If they can't go back a version, I'll probably just raise up one of the babies I've got sitting around. Damn, that means I'll probably have to go catch another set of perfect IV Dittoes.

[MaximumZero]

WHY THE FUCK DID NO ONE TELL ME THAT THERE IS A SWORD!?

I got a Honedge in wonder trade. It's now part of my party, despite having a Japanese name that I can't read and starting at level 1.

[Akura]

Honedge's final evolution, Aegislash, is pretty competitive from what I've seen.

Check its IVs, I got a Lv1. Japanese Gible from a trade with great-but-not-perfect IVs.

[Kanil]

Hyper Training data is definitely one.

Good point.

Edit: Also, there's a new pokeball now, isn't there. The gen 6 games might have a failsafe for that and just have your pokemon appear in a regular ball... but I can't imagine they'd have any way to preserve the hyper training, so I guess you can't move them back.

Can you still move them between the gen 6 games? I'd imagine so. I'll probably have to farm some ORAS legendaries for GTS fodder...

[Greiger]

Update on illusion, seems it's only gone on z moves.  That seems fair.

Also for some reason I brought over a contrary Superior, and bred it for contrary snivys but it seems they are all marked illegal.  I can't do anything with them.

[Akura]

I just moved over a Mawile and Meloetta. Haven't played it yet, but opening Pokemon Bank with SuMo gives you a Mewnium Z, which gives turns Mew's Psychic into Genesis Supernova, easily one of the most badass-named moves in existence which has a power of 185 and creates Psychic Terrain.

[Greiger]

Just a warning to breeders.  Totodile line, snivy line, and piplup line, are being falsely flagged as illegal online if they have their hidden ability.  Reddit speculates that this extends to all pokemon obtainable through qr code and not just the starters.

One work friend claims to have been banned from GTS and battle spot because of having one up on gts.  Be warned.  From the looks of reddit it looks like torrent and protean greninjas might also be getting flagged as illegal but I don't see as many reports of that as I would expect.

[Akura]

Interesting tidbit, when using a non-unique Z-Move(at least, Primarina's doesn't do this, though Alolan Raichu's does), the user's eye blink animation freezes, so they maintain the same facial expression throughout the move. I had Meloetta run over a wild Pokemon using Breakneck Blitz with the closest thing that Meloetta can achieve to an angry-face because her face froze mid-blink.

Spoiler: Baseless WMG theory as well (click to show/hide)

I had a theory that Acerola, the Ghost-type Trial Captain/Elite Four, is actually a ghost herself, of the girl killed by Guzzlord when Looker hesitated to kill it 10 years prior(another theory, Guzzlord also killed Looker's Croagunk as well). This might explain Nanu's general not-giving-a-damn attitude which allowed Team Skull to overrun Po Town(implied to be fairly recent - within those 10 years seems reasonable), as he otherwise seems to dote on Acerola. Note that Acerola and Nanu are not related, "uncle" is a common term of endearment from child to adult in Hawaii. Might also explain the pictures you find before fighting Totem Mimikyu - they're of her(except the one that might be Red), and Mimikyu might actually have been her Pikachu who died.

The main counter to this theory is that Acerola's father owns the Malie Library, although she might have become a Faller by entering a wormhole and coming back(as the player does this too).

[RekkaAtsuma]

@Akura, that be some major thought provokes there. Can't say I agree or disagree but you certainly made me curious. And as a subsequent result:
I need to stop lore-diving in pokemon, especially as my Game-fan theory after sun and moon may make a fan-comic actually hold a lot of weight:

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Theory: All Pokemon, Legendary and non-legends are Ultra Beasts, but has lost their Beast-boost ability and "evolved" a new ability
This is mostly evidence by Necrozma, who visually resembles the ultra beasts, but behaves in-game like a Legendary Pokemon. Necrozma is also only heard of in-game once the ultra Beasts are being addressed by the Player and company.
Cosmog Cosmoem Solgaleo and Lunala back this up in the sense of Legendaries being Ultra beast who have done this.
Disproof? Rayquaza Lore of being the Planet's protector. However do note Zinna's notes on her backstory in Delta Ep indicate she fell trough a Wormhole so there is some tie-in.


Btw the fan comic in question, I dunno it's name, but it's the red-dimension blue-dimension "i came here for a sandshrew" one.
Hm....perhaps link trades between generation pairs go through Ultra wormholes? of course no resulting beast boost disproves this, but you could argue human tampering.

Think 'bout dat 4r a while...

[Akura]

Did an Elite 4 run with a Lv.1 Mawile I finished EV-training, with Plumeria as the title defense match. With the boosts from different OT and Lucky Egg(no Affection bonus), and relying solely on EXP Share gains, Mawile went from Lv.1 to Lv.51.

Spoiler: Odd, but (click to show/hide)

Plumeria mentions that Molayne and Nanu talked her into taking on the Championship. Nanu I get, but I didn't think Molayne was doing jack the entire game, and wasn't aware of any connection between him and Plumeria.

[umiman]

Honedge's final evolution, Aegislash, is pretty competitive from what I've seen.

Check its IVs, I got a Lv1. Japanese Gible from a trade with great-but-not-perfect IVs.

Both its final form and second form are really powerful choices.

I personally think the second evolution is stronger than the final. Especially with eviolite.

[RedWarrior0]

Aegislash is bonkers, especially if you have 0 speed IV and a -speed nature. You can use alternate between powerful attack like Gyro Ball and using King's Shield, which changes you back into shield form with priority. Generally, you'll never be taking an attack while in blade form. Thus, you effectively have base 150 defenses and attack/spatk, which is absolutely nuts.

E: Doublade has only 110 attack and 45 spatk vs Blade Aegislash's 150. Eviolite Doublade does, however, have higher defense than a similarly invested Aegislash, but even a fully invested SpD eviolite Doublade will be about the same as a 0 SpD IV, 0 EV, neutral nature Aegislash. And then the Aegislash gets to hold an item, which is huge.

[Neonivek]

Honedge I think is also one of the few pokemon that is competitive before its final evolution with Eviolite... I think?

I only know, off the top of my head, of two candidates.

And that is ignoring Pikachu... Who seriously should just become a Legendary Pokémon at this point... You KNOW they want to. Heck they have even gone as far as to create Pikachu clones.