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I ATTAC

8 (15.4%)

I PROTECC

6 (11.5%)

Waiting on the third one

2 (3.8%)

Waiting on the third AND fourth one

1 (1.9%)

GET WELL SOON ZYGARDE

5 (9.6%)

I am a concientous objector and abstain from taking up arms

30 (57.7%)

Total Members Voted: 51

[Flying Dice]

The main problem is that those things are usually some combination of incredibly niche, annoying to use, and inefficient. :|

[Akura]

I'm not quite sure on the problem with HMs. The only things I really see bad about them are that you can't unlearn them until you reach the Move Deleter, and Flash and Defog are godawful moves(that are no longer HMs).

[Oneir]

I like HMs, but only because I love utility spells in anything that has moves you can learn. Things like Magelight in Skyrim, Slowfall in WoW, Telekinesis in Runescape.

My fantasy Pokemon game is an action-adventure where there's very little battling and you use different Pokemon moves and properties to solve environmental puzzles.

I'm still surprised we haven't seen an open world pokemon exploration game with that exact premise. Pokemon: Breath of the Wild.

[Flying Dice]

I'm not quite sure on the problem with HMs. The only things I really see bad about them are that you can't unlearn them until you reach the Move Deleter, and Flash and Defog are godawful moves(that are no longer HMs).

Mostly that a lot of them are absolutely vital, so you're locked into either wasting a slot on an HM slave or wasting move slots on multiple 'mons with mediocre-to-shitty HM moves.

[Neonivek]

Isn't the "fighting and capturing corrupted 'mons" thing from one of the Gamecube games?

It is also a feature that they have considered bringing back probably the most.

[Flying Dice]

Isn't the "fighting and capturing corrupted 'mons" thing from one of the Gamecube games?

Got anything more specific, maybe a title? I've never heard of that sort of mechanic from an official game, and the only non-handheld Pokemon game I've played was Stadium, and searching only turns up the usual stuff about corrupted saves and missingno.

[Neonivek]

Isn't the "fighting and capturing corrupted 'mons" thing from one of the Gamecube games?

Got anything more specific, maybe a title? I've never heard of that sort of mechanic from an official game, and the only non-handheld Pokemon game I've played was Stadium, and searching only turns up the usual stuff about corrupted saves and missingno.

Shadow Pokémon.

[Cerol Lenslens]

Isn't the "fighting and capturing corrupted 'mons" thing from one of the Gamecube games?

Got anything more specific, maybe a title? I've never heard of that sort of mechanic from an official game, and the only non-handheld Pokemon game I've played was Stadium, and searching only turns up the usual stuff about corrupted saves and missingno.

Colosseum and XD Gale of Darkness both had 'Shadow' mons that you could steal from other trainers and purify back to their original versions. Shadow was a special supertype that had moves that were super-effective against non-shadow, and in XD they made purified mons have better movesets - usually a TM move, an egg move, and a 'light'-flavored move (Like Heal Bell, Sweet Kiss, Morning Sun, Helping Hand, etc) that the mon couldn't otherwise learn at all. It was pretty rad.

[Culise]

I'm not quite sure on the problem with HMs. The only things I really see bad about them are that you can't unlearn them until you reach the Move Deleter, and Flash and Defog are godawful moves(that are no longer HMs).

Ah, but Defog is now the only hazard remover in the game that can't be blocked by Ghosts, courtesy of its Gen 6 upgrade. That alone makes it highly useful, and has caused some competitive players to eagerly await the return of Gen 4 for no other reason than because it will allow new Defoggers to be introduced and certain old Defoggers to be restored to regular use without relying on transferring Pokemon from the original Diamond, Pearl, and Platinum games.

EDIT: Removed a minor error in reading.

[Cthulhu]

That sounded more like a single-player discussion than competitive.  I love defog cause of how it changed up the meta, but it's useless in single-player. 

[Neonivek]

That sounded more like a single-player discussion than competitive.  I love defog cause of how it changed up the meta, but it's useless in single-player.

I kind of love how convoluted Pokémon has become to the extent where the competitive scene is just messed up.

Pokémon needing to be imported from several versions and the like just for slight abilities and changes that occurred along the way.

Or single event pokemon that have a move that will never EVER be used again (Hello Rakastan, WOW how did I forget the name?, with Victory Flame... another pokemon's signature move)

then again there are reasons why the pros don't actually play pokemon

[Furtuka]

New CoroCoro Leaks, featuring the Poison/Dark type Alolan Grimer.

According to Serebii the leaker gave some info on further scans, but declined to post the images for the time being so we're awaiting confirmation on that.

Spoiler: The supposed other info. Contains potential plot spoilers. (click to show/hide)

However they claim that the other pages reveal Jangmo-o's evolutions, Dragon/Fighting types named Jarango and Jararango, and Type-Null's evolution Shiruvadi, which has an ability called the AR-System that allows it to change its type based on its hold item. If this is true, then we can pretty much take this as confirmation of the theory that Type-Null is an attempt at artificially recreating Arceus based upon that ability, said abilities name, and the Hindu god styling present in the name Shiruvadi.

[Furtuka]

And the rest of the scans are out!

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

The first images from CoroCoro have leaked and have revealed the latest news on Sun & Moon. As always, do note that translations are preliminary while we work on them. These images confirm the information revelaed yesterday but not shown of Jangmo-o's evolutions, Jarango & Jararanga, and Type: Null and its evolution Silvadi. We'll bring more as it comes
06:11: When Type: Null finds a trainer it trusts, it destroys its helmet and evolves into Silvadi. It has a special item called Memory that lets it be one of all 18 types at any one time thanks to its ability, AR System. It's not currently known if it's one item that can change this, or if there are 18 different ones. It has a new attack called Multi Attack which changes type based on its hold item
06:16: It also confirms the Trial Captain Ilmia is the first Trial Captain 06:57: The first town is known in Japan as Hauori City

[penguinofhonor]

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[Furtuka]

Apparently Trainer Battles are now dependent on proximity and movement speed, not line of sight.