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[umiman]

A legendary form of Carbink would be pretty sweet.

I like Carbink, I think it's pretty good. Not sure why it has sturdy as outside of something like choice band STAB earthquake from something with >100 attack, it won't die in one hit.

Clear body is also pretty dumb, so I can't see how it would help this legendary one either.

Rock fairy is a very strong combo. Carbink with toxic is a terror to deal with.

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Edit: Reudh, all signs seem to point that it's just a super version of Carbink, who by the way only has 50 base hp. They just have crazy high defensive stats.

[Akhier the Dragon hearted]

   So having beaten the elite four and what not I got to where I can use the friend safari. After only a couple people added I realized that I definitely wanted a better way to keep track of what I had and from who. Anyway long story short below is a link to my Friend Safari Check list (for OpenOffice Calc) and below that a link to my short video showing how it works. It is really easy to use so take a look. Do note most of it is protected just to prevent accidental editing though the password is easy so you can change it if you want.

The Checklist itself

My YouTube video showing it off

[RekkaAtsuma]

A legendary form of Carbink would be pretty sweet.

I like Carbink, I think it's pretty good. Not sure why it has sturdy as outside of something like choice band STAB earthquake from something with >100 attack, it won't die in one hit.

Clear body is also pretty dumb, so I can't see how it would help this legendary one either.

Rock fairy is a very strong combo. Carbink with toxic is a terror to deal with.

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Edit: Reudh, all signs seem to point that it's just a super version of Carbink, who by the way only has 50 base hp. They just have crazy high defensive stats.

Diancie's Pokedex Data indicates that it is a highly advanced Carbink. Back when they first cropped up it was stated Diancie's alleged stats were just Carbink's but a bit better
Diancie's ability, typing and associated lore all support this information.

In this case, I would not be surprised if the give-away allowed us to somehow "evolve" our Carbink into a Diancie via triggering an in-game event like making an NPC help Carbink take on the form of Diancie.

But overall this news has one more side-effect: that hacker's words ring more and more true with this announcement. This is speculation from here on, but, I'd say it's safe to say Volcanion and Hoopa are going to get their announcements as well, and if the theme with Diancie holds, Perhaps Hoopa will be paired with another movie focusing on Xerneas and then maybe Volcanion with Zygarde.
I say Volcanion and Zygarde as FIRE/WATER is a DEATH/LIFE combo, respectively, and Zygrade protects the balance. Diancie is a life-based Pokemon by both fairy-type and lore, but is teamed up with Yveltal for a movie-debut, the death/destruction pokemon....likely Hoopa, a half-dead(psychic/ghost) would be paired with the Life pokemon, Xerneas. This maintains their running theme of balance.

Of course any/all speculation can be and is almost always wrong.

[Culise]

A legendary form of Carbink would be pretty sweet.

I like Carbink, I think it's pretty good. Not sure why it has sturdy as outside of something like choice band STAB earthquake from something with >100 attack, it won't die in one hit.

Clear body is also pretty dumb, so I can't see how it would help this legendary one either.

Rock fairy is a very strong combo. Carbink with toxic is a terror to deal with.

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Edit: Reudh, all signs seem to point that it's just a super version of Carbink, who by the way only has 50 base hp. They just have crazy high defensive stats.

Diancie's Pokedex Data indicates that it is a highly advanced Carbink. Back when they first cropped up it was stated Diancie's alleged stats were just Carbink's but a bit better
Diancie's ability, typing and associated lore all support this information.

In this case, I would not be surprised if the give-away allowed us to somehow "evolve" our Carbink into a Diancie via triggering an in-game event like making an NPC help Carbink take on the form of Diancie.

But overall this news has one more side-effect: that hacker's words ring more and more true with this announcement. This is speculation from here on, but, I'd say it's safe to say Volcanion and Hoopa are going to get their announcements as well, and if the theme with Diancie holds, Perhaps Hoopa will be paired with another movie focusing on Xerneas and then maybe Volcanion with Zygarde.
I say Volcanion and Zygarde as FIRE/WATER is a DEATH/LIFE combo, respectively, and Zygrade protects the balance. Diancie is a life-based Pokemon by both fairy-type and lore, but is teamed up with Yveltal for a movie-debut, the death/destruction pokemon....likely Hoopa, a half-dead(psychic/ghost) would be paired with the Life pokemon, Xerneas. This maintains their running theme of balance.

Of course any/all speculation can be and is almost always wrong.

If the two are linked by some evolution or breeding chain, I'm expecting the other way around, actually.  We know that Carbink can't evolve for the very simple reason that Eviolite doesn't work on it, so it may either come from Diancie, or else it may be used to unlock it.  Basically, Diancie:Carbink::Manaphy:Phione.  I wish Diancie had Sturdy, though.  Clear Body and a physical unique move (so, no Calm Mind shenanigans) make me a little sad. 

EDIT: Oh, though one thing did occur to me.  At least we don't have to worry about Multiscale Dragon/Fairy M.Latias or Adaptability M.Latios anymore.  With all the modifications going around via Powersave, they figured out that the Mega Evolutions for Lati@s are actually rather rubbish, at least compared to those monstrosities.  Levitate, no type changes, and the loss of the item don't help either of them much. 

[RekkaAtsuma]

A legendary form of Carbink would be pretty sweet.

I like Carbink, I think it's pretty good. Not sure why it has sturdy as outside of something like choice band STAB earthquake from something with >100 attack, it won't die in one hit.

Clear body is also pretty dumb, so I can't see how it would help this legendary one either.

Rock fairy is a very strong combo. Carbink with toxic is a terror to deal with.

--------------

Edit: Reudh, all signs seem to point that it's just a super version of Carbink, who by the way only has 50 base hp. They just have crazy high defensive stats.

Diancie's Pokedex Data indicates that it is a highly advanced Carbink. Back when they first cropped up it was stated Diancie's alleged stats were just Carbink's but a bit better
Diancie's ability, typing and associated lore all support this information.

In this case, I would not be surprised if the give-away allowed us to somehow "evolve" our Carbink into a Diancie via triggering an in-game event like making an NPC help Carbink take on the form of Diancie.

But overall this news has one more side-effect: that hacker's words ring more and more true with this announcement. This is speculation from here on, but, I'd say it's safe to say Volcanion and Hoopa are going to get their announcements as well, and if the theme with Diancie holds, Perhaps Hoopa will be paired with another movie focusing on Xerneas and then maybe Volcanion with Zygarde.
I say Volcanion and Zygarde as FIRE/WATER is a DEATH/LIFE combo, respectively, and Zygrade protects the balance. Diancie is a life-based Pokemon by both fairy-type and lore, but is teamed up with Yveltal for a movie-debut, the death/destruction pokemon....likely Hoopa, a half-dead(psychic/ghost) would be paired with the Life pokemon, Xerneas. This maintains their running theme of balance.

Of course any/all speculation can be and is almost always wrong.

If the two are linked by some evolution or breeding chain, I'm expecting the other way around, actually.  We know that Carbink can't evolve for the very simple reason that Eviolite doesn't work on it, so it may either come from Diancie, or else it may be used to unlock it.

I put "evolve". As in make Carbink do like a form change similar to an Evolution.
the info given for Diancie indicates that Carbink live in a place with a "princess", Diancie, who can create a Sacred Gem.
the released info also indicates  Diancie is "a sudden transformation of carbink"
Serebii.net - News update fri feb14 2014 is my source on this...so if I'm wrong, Serebii is wrong.

[Culise]

I put "evolve". As in make Carbink do like a form change similar to an Evolution.
the info given for Diancie indicates that Carbink live in a place with a "princess", Diancie, who can create a Sacred Gem.
the released info also indicates  Diancie is "a sudden transformation of carbink"
Serebii.net - News update fri feb14 2014 is my source on this...so if I'm wrong, Serebii is wrong.

Yes, but that's not evolution any more than Rotom is.  Hence my response.  I'm also already aware of the Serebii information, though I appreciate that you posted it here for those who aren't. ^_^

[penguinofhonor]

I'm glad Carbink is getting attention, at least.

[Sirus]

Super Best Friends play LeafGreen. Nuzlocke.

Much hilarity is anticipated.

[Tawa]

Dang! NITRO beat me again!

I got frickin' victory music off the internet because I was sure my team was undeniably impermeable and utterly undefeatable!

I seriously have a problem. Some kind of "block", maybe? I might have to just dump my Greninja Lan and my Lucario Ryu into a box to chum it up in there, forever, as I use a team with perfect IVs, EVs, and Natures.

Gotta think here, long and hard... well, here's the team I lost with.

LAN
GRENINJA
TORRENT
ITEM: dunno
SURF
ICE BEAM
EXTRASENSORY
NIGHT SLASH

RYU
LUCARIO
STEADFAST
LUCARIONITE
EXTREMESPEED
AURA SPHERE
FLASH CANNON
DRAGON PULSE

MALAMAR
MALAMAR
ITEM: dunno
CONTRARY
SUPERPOWER
TOXIC
NIGHT SLASH
THUNDERBOLT because I forgot to swap with a psychic move

DARGONLORD
DRAGALGAE
ITEM: toxic sludge or something of the like
ABILITY: I forgot
TOXIC
VENOSHOCK
DRAGON TAIL
HYDRO PUMP

ICARUS
TALONFLAME
FLAME BODY
ITEM: it was something good, I checked
FLAMETHROWER
FLY
BRAVE BIRD
flame-whatever that gives you a speed boost but only has like 60 damage

BUBBA
WOBBUFFET
SHADOW TAG
ITEM: ROCKY HELMET
(standard wobbuffet moveset, i.e. no Wynaut moves)


I am really missing something. He beat me twice in a row. He used a mega alakazam to bypass BUBBA's shadow tag. He just generally murdered the rest of them. I took out... maybe three of his pokemon?

I don't think I have a problem with tanks. I just don't think they fit my play style.

Does anyone have any tips for this kind of thing? I seriously don't wanna train up another tank, special defense super training is boring as heck and more difficult than any of the others.

[umiman]

Your team is too predictable and easy to beat. They're also not playing to their strengths.

If you really, really, want to win, you need to get the proper ones. Greninja MUST get protean and get a real item like life orb. Talonflame MUST get gale wings. Same for other pokemon, they must get better items. Choice bands, life orbs, leftovers, etc.

If you just want to have fun, give up trying to win against someone who's tryharding against you. If you want to win, you gotta make the effort.

If I were to use your pokemon, it'd be like this:

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Greninja @ Life Orb
Ability: Protean
EVs: 252 Spd / 252 SAtk / 4 Atk
Hasty Nature
- Ice Beam
- U-turn
- Scald
- Dark Pulse

Lucario @ Choice Specs
Ability: Justified
EVs: 252 Spd / 252 SAtk / 4 SDef
Timid Nature
- Aura Sphere
- Dragon Pulse
- Flash Cannon
- Vacuum Wave

Malamar @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Contrary
EVs: 252 Atk / 252 HP / 4 Def
Adamant Nature
- Superpower
- Night Slash
- Psycho Cut
- Switcheroo

Dragalge @ Leftovers
Ability: Adaptability
EVs: 252 SAtk / 252 HP / 4 SDef
Modest Nature
- Toxic
- Sludge Bomb
- Draco Meteor
- Shadow Ball

Talonflame @ Leftovers
Ability: Gale Wings
EVs: 252 Atk / 252 HP / 4 Def
Adamant Nature
- Brave Bird
- Flare Blitz
- Roost
- Swords Dance

Wobbuffet @ Leftovers
Ability: Shadow Tag
EVs: 252 SDef / 252 HP / 4 Def
Calm Nature
- Counter
- Mirror Coat
- Encore
- Safeguard

[Mictlantecuhtli]

Playing Pokemon Gold, right outside Mahogany Town, in a bit of grass grinding my Magikarp to become surf-worthy since I don't want to go get Eevee and this happens:

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Raikou in a random encounter.


I had no real balls except ultra.


Catch in first throw, as it'd run away otherwise.


Should I go to the casino today or...?


Oh and what should I name it?

[Tawa]

Playing Pokemon Gold, right outside Mahogany Town, in a bit of grass grinding my Magikarp to become surf-worthy since I don't want to go get Eevee and this happens:

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Raikou in a random encounter.


I had no real balls except ultra.


Catch in first throw, as it'd run away otherwise.


Should I go to the casino today or...?


Oh and what should I name it?

You should name him "LORD LUCK", in all caps.

Your team is too predictable and easy to beat. They're also not playing to their strengths.

If you really, really, want to win, you need to get the proper ones. Greninja MUST get protean and get a real item like life orb. Talonflame MUST get gale wings. Same for other pokemon, they must get better items. Choice bands, life orbs, leftovers, etc.

If you just want to have fun, give up trying to win against someone who's tryharding against you. If you want to win, you gotta make the effort.

If I were to use your pokemon, it'd be like this:

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Greninja @ Life Orb
Ability: Protean
EVs: 252 Spd / 252 SAtk / 4 Atk
Hasty Nature
- Ice Beam
- U-turn
- Scald
- Dark Pulse

Lucario @ Choice Specs
Ability: Justified
EVs: 252 Spd / 252 SAtk / 4 SDef
Timid Nature
- Aura Sphere
- Dragon Pulse
- Flash Cannon
- Vacuum Wave

Malamar @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Contrary
EVs: 252 Atk / 252 HP / 4 Def
Adamant Nature
- Superpower
- Night Slash
- Psycho Cut
- Switcheroo

Dragalge @ Leftovers
Ability: Adaptability
EVs: 252 SAtk / 252 HP / 4 SDef
Modest Nature
- Toxic
- Sludge Bomb
- Draco Meteor
- Shadow Ball

Talonflame @ Leftovers
Ability: Gale Wings
EVs: 252 Atk / 252 HP / 4 Def
Adamant Nature
- Brave Bird
- Flare Blitz
- Roost
- Swords Dance

Wobbuffet @ Leftovers
Ability: Shadow Tag
EVs: 252 SDef / 252 HP / 4 Def
Calm Nature
- Counter
- Mirror Coat
- Encore
- Safeguard

I figured I ought to switcheroo my team up, myself. I've been with Lan and Ryu since the first day I had the game, and I oughta say g'bye, at least as hardcore battlers.

So, I got out some scrap paper and planned out a team...

Keeping Malamar and Dragalgae, they worked rather ok-ish.

Going to use for the rest:

DEDENNE
Nuzzle
Play Rough
Thunder      }COMBO
Rain Dance }MOVE!

AEGISLASH
Sacred Sword
King's Shield
(Shadow Claw, mayhaps?)
(Giga Impact, mayhaps?)

?LAPRAS?
Ice Beam
Surf
(Giga Impact?)
(Psychic looks like a good evil plot)

CHARIZARD
Flamethrower
Earthquake
Generic Flying Move
Fighting Move of Some Sort

What do you think?

Also, I put together a "watch list" of my arch-nemesis's top Pokemon.

MEGA ALAKAZAM! KILLS EVERYTHING ON IMPACT! WARNING! WARNING!
Counter: Aegislash with Shadow Claw

JOLTEON! INSANELY FAST! WARNING! WARNING!
Counter: Ground move on something that isn't Charizard or Lapras

not done posting gotta go going to finish later/tomorrow

[umiman]

Aegislash:
Replace shadow claw with shadow sneak so it always attacks first. If you don't know what priority is, consider shadow sneak your first lesson.
Replace giga impact with swords dance so you can play mindgames with swords dance / kings shield


Lapras:
Choose between special attack or physical. Don't do both.
If going physical, use avalanche, waterfall, curse / dragon dance
If going special attack, use ice beam, surf, toxic


Charizard:
Depends on whether you're going for Y or X.
Y version is great at special attacks
X is great at physical

Regular Charizard is terrible.


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Try not to use valuable moveslots for nonSTAB attacks unless you're trying to make up for some kind of weakness. For example, giga impact is a terrible coverage move. Normal type hits nothing well. So it can't make up for the lack of 50% bonus damage from STAB. Lapras's ice beam does 142 base damage because of STAB. Even water pulse would do more damage than giga impact would do.

Here's examples of good coverage moves:

1. Earthquake: Does 100 damage 100% of the time and lots of enemies have 2x weakness to ground. Many even have 4x weakness. It's so strong there's an item dedicated solely just to stop earthquake. Will instantly kill fragile electric / steel / rock / fire types like Jolteon and Blaziken.
2. Stone edge: Does massive damage and flying / bug / fire all die instantly to it.
3. Fire blast: Does massive damage and steel / bug all die instantly to it. Grass / ice takes about 2 hits as they are generally stronger to special attack.
4. Ice beam: Instantly kills anything that has a 4x weakness to ice like dragon / grass / flying / ground.
5. U-turn: Does massive damage to psychic / dark / grass and will 0HKO them if they have 4x weakness.

Choose moves like those. You want something that will more or less instantly kill the counter they use to fight you. For example, a lot of people think they can defeat Slowking by sending out a strong physical attacker like Scizor. They don't expect Slowking to suddenly shoot out fire blast that instantly kills Scizor. Similarly, a lot of people think they can beat Aggron by sending out something like Gliscor. However, they will get a heart attack when Aggron blows up Gliscor with an ice beam.

[Culise]

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Aegislash:
Replace shadow claw with shadow sneak so it always attacks first. If you don't know what priority is, consider shadow sneak your first lesson.
Replace giga impact with swords dance so you can play mindgames with swords dance / kings shield


Lapras:
Choose between special attack or physical. Don't do both.
If going physical, use avalanche, waterfall, curse / dragon dance
If going special attack, use ice beam, surf, toxic


Charizard:
Depends on whether you're going for Y or X.
Y version is great at special attacks
X is great at physical

Regular Charizard is terrible.


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Try not to use valuable moveslots for nonSTAB attacks unless you're trying to make up for some kind of weakness. For example, giga impact is a terrible coverage move. Normal type hits nothing well. So it can't make up for the lack of 50% bonus damage from STAB. Lapras's ice beam does 142 base damage because of STAB. Even water pulse would do more damage than giga impact would do.

Here's examples of good coverage moves:

1. Earthquake: Does 100 damage 100% of the time and lots of enemies have 2x weakness to ground. Many even have 4x weakness. It's so strong there's an item dedicated solely just to stop earthquake. Will instantly kill fragile electric / steel / rock / fire types like Jolteon and Blaziken.
2. Stone edge: Does massive damage and flying / bug / fire all die instantly to it.
3. Fire blast: Does massive damage and steel / bug all die instantly to it. Grass / ice takes about 2 hits as they are generally stronger to special attack.
4. Ice beam: Instantly kills anything that has a 4x weakness to ice like dragon / grass / flying / ground.
5. U-turn: Does massive damage to psychic / dark / grass and will 0HKO them if they have 4x weakness.

Choose moves like those. You want something that will more or less instantly kill the counter they use to fight you. For example, a lot of people think they can defeat Slowking by sending out a strong physical attacker like Scizor. They don't expect Slowking to suddenly shoot out fire blast that instantly kills Scizor. Similarly, a lot of people think they can beat Aggron by sending out something like Gliscor. However, they will get a heart attack when Aggron blows up Gliscor with an ice beam.

Umiman has a lot of good advice here.  One thing I will add: Mixed sets can be good if you have a specific need for what's typically called a "wallbreaker," which is basically a Pokemon that can punch through physical or special walls/tanks by hitting their weak stat.  This is actually represented in Umiman's second example of a coverage move - Aggron greatly favours the physical side rather than special side in both stats and moveset; an Aggron running Ice Beam is almost always going to be a mixed set, rather than a special set.  Aegislash, another popular mixed Pokemon, is actually just as good with special moves as physical moves: a special set can't boost the way a Swords Dance set can, but is harder to counter since it's unaffected by Will-o-Wisp, and its physical and special characteristics are identical (150/50, switching through Stance Change).  However, because of priority, it frequently runs the physical move Shadow Sneak even on a set that would otherwise be purely special - the chance to attack first can be pivotal in finishing off a weakened opponent, especially since its low speed (base speed low, often pushed lower because it by preference wants to take hits in Shield Forme rather than Sword Forme) would make it difficult to do so without some priority move to override that stat.  That said, mixed sets should always fulfill some key purpose - a mixed Aggron uses Ice Beam to counter Gliscor, a physical wall that would otherwise stop it cold but happens to have a 4x weakness, and a mixed Aegislash runs Shadow Sneak because it's the only consistent priority attack it learns. 

As for the specific enemies you spouted off, there's two common trends.  Jolteon and M.Alakazam are both very fragile; anything that can take a hit and smack them back will cripple them, as can many things that outspeeds them (either via priority or a Choice Scarf).  They're both also exclusively special attackers - no one has reason to run physical attacks on either, and their stats don't support it.  Setting up one of your tankier Pokemon as a special tank may help you deal with them effectively. 

[Tawa]

Alright, so let me get this straight:

I want a mixed set to break walls if necessary.

I want as many STAB moves as possible.

Give my Aegislash Shadow Sneak, Sacred Sword, King's Shield, and Swords Dance to defend, attack NOW, attack LATER, and play mind games.

Give my lapras Surf, Ice Beam, Toxic, and something else (psychic, if I heard that mixed set advice right.)

Replacing Charizard looks good, I'll get something that's ground/something else for earthquakes. I'll see what I can do, maybe I can get ahold of U-turn, Earthquake, Ice Beam, and Fire Blast, or barring one of those, a STAB move.

AHA! MY EVENT BLAZIKEN! YES!

Let's see, Blaziken with Earthquake, Fire Blast, Stone Edge, and Sky Uppercut.

Alright.

Also, yesterday, I demanded satisfaction and challenged him to a Pokemon duel on the field of honor in one week. So, y'know, I'll win if this works right.