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[RekkaAtsuma]

Rekka, I'd say it's worth doing a single run in Le Woo Restaurant (triple battle, Lucky Egg, Exp Point Lvl3 O-Power) to make sure your utility 'mons can be used effectively. That's what I've done with my Compound Eyer, Sweet Scenter, Pick-upers, etc. You will be able to use the Audino to catch other HA pokemons available in horde battles.

Thanks for the tip. But I just wanna let ya while I did say I would have to both catch and raise, but I meant to imply that finding/catching it was the hard part. I don't have an issue raising the pokemon(due to E4), I just needed to know which one to snag for the hunt. Sylveon resists the double kick each one in the hordes would know and both of my sylveon are already near level 50, I'm currently hunting and am having no issues other than the rarity of the ability I seek.

Thank you all for the help.

EDIT:
Any tips on Ideal EVs for a Hasty Protean Greninja with 4/6 good IVS only lacking ATK/SPDEF, I was thinking full sweep set-up but...I want opinions, Sadly I cannot breed them fast as it's a Male and I plan on using it.

[Reudh]

252 SPATK / 252 SPD / 4 ATK

That's your bread and butter Greninja spread. Replace the 4 ATK with something your greninja is decent in, like HP or keep it as ATK.

[RekkaAtsuma]

252 SPATK / 252 SPD / 4 ATK

That's your bread and butter Greninja spread. Replace the 4 ATK with something your greninja is decent in, like HP or keep it as ATK.

That's the typical sweeper build...not much different than what i had planned except that I was thinking of going all special and putting the 4 into the Hatsy-Cut DEF. so which is wiser 4hp or 4 def? remember hasty

[Reudh]

No point putting 4 EVs into defense, Greninja has defenses thinner than tissue paper. It's lucky to survive any neutral hit.

[BuriBuriZaemon]

252 SPATK / 252 SPD / 4 ATK

That's your bread and butter Greninja spread. Replace the 4 ATK with something your greninja is decent in, like HP or keep it as ATK.

That's the typical sweeper build...not much different than what i had planned except that I was thinking of going all special and putting the 4 into the Hatsy-Cut DEF. so which is wiser 4hp or 4 def? remember hasty

I have a level 75 Hasty Protean Greninja that has 31IVs in everything except Attack. No egg moves. Happy to lend it to you for breeding purpose.

Umi, thanks for the advise re Tyranitar. I have other support Pokes that run T-Wave so I may go for more offensive Tyranitar because I don't have enough bulky offense in my roster yet.

I'm trying to come up with something original using my spare perfect IV Chansey. I already have the mainstream Natural Cure variant. Any thoughts on this set?

Blissey @ Assault Vest
Ability: Serene Grace
252 HP / 252 SpAtt / 4 SpD
Calm Nature (sadly I don't have Modest or Bold with perfect IVs yet)
- Charged Beam (+SpAtt secondary effect)
- Flamethrower (Burn secondary effect to shut down physical attacker, super effective vs Steel-type (Lucario comes to mind))
- Focus Blast (-SpDef of target as secondary effect)
- Psychic (-SpDef of target as secondary effect; super effective vs Fighting-type)

I tested the Modest variant of above Serene Grace Blissey. Here's she nearly sweeping the whole team:

http://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/ou-78321016

[Reudh]

Interesting concept for a Chansey, that's for sure - but doesn't Eviolite shore up Chansey's Defense and raise its SpDef by 50% too?

[RekkaAtsuma]

No point putting 4 EVs into defense, Greninja has defenses thinner than tissue paper. It's lucky to survive any neutral hit.

It's just a reaction of mine, I tend to devote that final point to whatever the nature cuts on most of my others just in case they do take a hit, but you've got a good point. Thank you.

252 SPATK / 252 SPD / 4 ATK

That's your bread and butter Greninja spread. Replace the 4 ATK with something your greninja is decent in, like HP or keep it as ATK.

That's the typical sweeper build...not much different than what i had planned except that I was thinking of going all special and putting the 4 into the Hatsy-Cut DEF. so which is wiser 4hp or 4 def? remember hasty

I have a level 75 Hasty Protean Greninja that has 31IVs in everything except Attack. No egg moves. Happy to lend it to you for breeding purpose.

Thanks for the thought but I'll pass, I don't much like to borrow things in Pokemon cases.

[umiman]

That's some pretty amusing Blissey shenanigans.

[BuriBuriZaemon]

Interesting concept for a Chansey, that's for sure - but doesn't Eviolite shore up Chansey's Defense and raise its SpDef by 50% too?

Reudh, that's true but Blissey SpAtt is 75 whereas Chansey's is only 35. To be fair, 75 is still low even with Modest nature and max EV investment, hence the need for both boosting from supporting Pokes and Charge Beam (70% chance of +1 SpAtt, which becomes 140% with Serene Grace).

In the Showdown video, I use Drifblim to Baton Pass Stockpile (+Def and SpDef), Calm Mind (+SpAtt and +SpDef), Focus Energy (+Crit Chance). Sadly physical attacker with priority can still 2HKO the Blissey.

[Mageziya]

Does anyone know any good Metagross builds? I can't seem to find any.

[BuriBuriZaemon]

Does anyone know any good Metagross builds? I can't seem to find any.

I don't know much about it, but Smogon is a good start.

www.smogon.com/bw/pokemon/metagros

I wanted to breed one but with only 3IV Ditto that would be a pain!

[umiman]

Metagross is pretty "meh"-ish. He's okay, but not spectacular in anything. He basically hits really hard and is reasonably tanky.

However, he's also weak to so many common moves with his typing and unlike someone like Tyranitar, doesn't have much to make up for it. You can't use this guy if there's a fire blast, flamethrower, shadow ball, dark pulse, bug buzz, etc. user out on the field. He is also slow as shit. So slow many of the common sweepers will still move faster than him even after being paralyzed. Lastly, his STAB attacks suck. Steel moves are pretty bad for offense.

If I were to be forced to use him, I'd make him a suicide fighter. Something like this:

Metagross @ Leftovers
Ability: Clear Body
EVs: 252 Atk / 248 HP / 8 SDef
Adamant Nature
- Substitute
- Bullet Punch
- Hammer Arm
- Earthquake

Send him out, set up substitute, and do as much damage as possible before dying.

Honestly, he'd be so much better if he had levitate or filter or something like that.

I personally think Ferrothorn makes a much scarier Metagross than Metagross does.

[RekkaAtsuma]

I know Magmortar isnt super good or anything but can anyone suggest a decent Magmortar build in XY?
-eidt: I checked on smogon before and after posting but I'm not getting much except B/W info and a forum thread listing all it's evo line forms' moves...

[Culise]

Metagross is pretty "meh"-ish. He's okay, but not spectacular in anything. He basically hits really hard and is reasonably tanky.

However, he's also weak to so many common moves with his typing and unlike someone like Tyranitar, doesn't have much to make up for it. You can't use this guy if there's a fire blast, flamethrower, shadow ball, dark pulse, bug buzz, etc. user out on the field. He is also slow as shit. So slow many of the common sweepers will still move faster than him even after being paralyzed. Lastly, his STAB attacks suck. Steel moves are pretty bad for offense.

If I were to be forced to use him, I'd make him a suicide fighter. Something like this:

Metagross @ Leftovers
Ability: Clear Body
EVs: 252 Atk / 248 HP / 8 SDef
Adamant Nature
- Substitute
- Bullet Punch
- Hammer Arm
- Earthquake

Send him out, set up substitute, and do as much damage as possible before dying.

Honestly, he'd be so much better if he had levitate or filter or something like that.

I personally think Ferrothorn makes a much scarier Metagross than Metagross does.

Fun fact - everything you listed is a Special Attack, which segues into my recommendation.  While losing those Steel resistances hurt Metagross a lot, an Assault Vest Metagross is astonishingly tanky.  Still fears Earthquake, Sucker Punch, and Pursuit still, but anyone who expects to take advantage of his weaker Special Defense side is going to be very surprised.  In essence, I'd suggest much the same EV distribution and moveset as you, only replacing Substitute with either Meteor Mash (for raw STAB power) or Zen Headbutt.  Sadly, Psychic/Steel is indeed terrible for offensive STAB. 

[umiman]

Yeah. He's a bit of a trap I found. Seems great in theory, but then you start going "why does this guy do so little damage...".

I listed special attacks on purpose haha. He can handle the physical ones okay. It takes like 4 STAB earthquakes to kill him. Pretty good for a 2x weakness.

Some of the more annoying Metagrosses I've run into use things like Toxic and other slow dps moves. But none have ever really stood out for me.