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[Reudh]

Quick question, guys.

I want my Eevee (soon Espeon) to learn both Baton Pass (Eevee learns this at level 33) and Morning Sun (Espeon learns this at level 33). Does this mean I have to evolve Eevee to Espeon at level 34 and keep Baton Pass move, and then relearn Morning Sun via Move Relearner?

Pretty sure that will work. IIRC, the Move Relearner can't teach moves from prior evolutions, but he can teach moves that the Pokemon would've learned at an earlier level.

I'm pretty sure that the Move Relearner also 'records' what moves that pokemon knew in the past.

[umiman]

Yeah it does. So if you got baton pass at any point in your pokemon's history, any future evolutions can relearn it. Just have to actually learn it first.

Egg moves are all automatically gained though.

[BuriBuriZaemon]

Thanks guys. What do you think of this Espeon in a team with Mega Charizard Y and Chlorophyll Venusaur:

Espeon/Magic Bounce
Timid
252 Spe, 252 SpA, 6 HP
Calm Mind
Baton Pass
Psyshock
Dazzling Gleam

The idea is to open with Espeon to prevent/reflect entry hazards, use Calm Mind in Turn 1, and stay in if the opponent doesn't resist Psyshock (good vs Special Wall) or Dazzling Gleam (good vs Dark) in Turn 2. If if it's an opponent Espeon can't handle, then he will Baton Pass the Calm Mind (+1 SpA and SpD) to another Pokemon.

I also have a now-Eevee-but-will-be-Jolteon handy that I will teach Volt Switch, which I assume acts similar to Baton Pass with additional Electric damage. Haven't got any walls in the team except for Avalugg. May breed Blissey if necessary.

Disclaimer: Very new to competitive battling, so above strategy could be totally lame, lol.

EDIT: I didn't breed my Eevee with Stored Power, sadly. Is it worth starting over?

[umiman]

I'm currently running Mandibuzz as my defogger.

It's really, really tanky for a flying type and can run a lot of different moves. I personally use defog, roost, taunt, and knock off. Knock off is always hilarious, especially when you knock off someone's life orb or leftovers. Taunt needs no mentioning and is always amazing. Defog is fantastic, as no one expects it. Everyone is still used to rapid spinners clearing obstacles, so when they don't see one on your team they happily spend 4+ turns putting down entry hazards, only for Mandibuzz to clear it all out.

I tried to put toxic on it before, but my team is more focused around paralysis and burn. You can't stack poison on top of that sadly.

I found Mandibuzz is also an excellent counter to Skarmory, who I've always had trouble with.

All in all I really like it. A lot more useful that the suicide Forretress who couldn't even survive more than 2 turns usually.

[Silfurdreki]

Thanks guys. What do you think of this Espeon in a team with Mega Charizard Y and Chlorophyll Venusaur:

Espeon/Magic Bounce
Timid
252 Spe, 252 SpA, 6 HP
Calm Mind
Baton Pass
Psyshock
Dazzling Gleam

The idea is to open with Espeon to prevent/reflect entry hazards, use Calm Mind in Turn 1, and stay in if the opponent doesn't resist Psyshock (good vs Special Wall) or Dazzling Gleam (good vs Dark) in Turn 2. If if it's an opponent Espeon can't handle, then he will Baton Pass the Calm Mind (+1 SpA and SpD) to another Pokemon.

I also have a now-Eevee-but-will-be-Jolteon handy that I will teach Volt Switch, which I assume acts similar to Baton Pass with additional Electric damage. Haven't got any walls in the team except for Avalugg. May breed Blissey if necessary.

Disclaimer: Very new to competitive battling, so above strategy could be totally lame, lol.

EDIT: I didn't breed my Eevee with Stored Power, sadly. Is it worth starting over?

Does Volt switch preserve boosts like baton pass? I though it just was just an attack that enabled you to switch in the same turn.

I really need to get on with breeding my pokemon team again...

[Culise]

Quick question, guys.

I want my Eevee (soon Espeon) to learn both Baton Pass (Eevee learns this at level 33) and Morning Sun (Espeon learns this at level 33). Does this mean I have to evolve Eevee to Espeon at level 34 and keep Baton Pass move, and then relearn Morning Sun via Move Relearner?

Or you can evolve at Level 33.  Eevee should learn Baton Pass, evolve to Espeon, and promptly try to learn Morning Sun. 

[Reudh]

Not sure what I just watched.

[BuriBuriZaemon]

Does Volt switch preserve boosts like baton pass? I though it just was just an attack that enabled you to switch in the same turn.

Volt Switch allows the user to deal Electric damage and then switch. It does not pass on any stat-boosts, the same as U-Turn (Bug-type equivalent).

I just found out the only way to breed Eevee with Stored Power is using a male Munna, only obtainable in Friend Safari, and I don't have one. Boo.

Not sure what I just watched.

I can watch that all day long.

[neotemplar]

And so I begin massive Zubat breeding program.  Like actually doing it this time, I got a female with adament and inflitrator and now need to Iv up it and a duckett to make the final form.  Annoyingly this means breeding duckets.

[BuriBuriZaemon]

Speaking of

Like actually doing it this time, I got a female with adament and inflitrator and now need to Iv up it and a duckett to make the final form.  Annoyingly this means breeding duckets.

What do you need the Duckett for? Egg moves?

[Cerol Lenslens]

Sooo... I'm late to the FC party, but I want to get into this Safari Zone thing and random Passersby are somewhat hesitant to become more than acquaintances.

My code is 3668-8305-2950, and I have no idea what my own zone contains.

Also, I managed to catch the Pokerus like 2 days into the game. I of course backed that stuff up on some permaboxed Pokes for further spread. But I guess Pokerus is obsolete now, what with Super Training and all?

[Calech]

Sooo... I'm late to the FC party, but I want to get into this Safari Zone thing and random Passersby are somewhat hesitant to become more than acquaintances.

My code is 3668-8305-2950, and I have no idea what my own zone contains.

Also, I managed to catch the Pokerus like 2 days into the game. I of course backed that stuff up on some permaboxed Pokes for further spread. But I guess Pokerus is obsolete now, what with Super Training and all?

Pokerus is hardly obsolete; it takes about an hour - hour and a half to EV train a level 1 pokemon with Super Training (having done it three or four times now), whilst using appropriate Power Items, Pokerus, and hordes, you can fully train a party of 5 pokemon (assuming they're level 1s being carried by a high-level lead) in about 10-11 battles, as long as you aren't going for an unusual spread of EVs (if you are, it should only take marginally longer). Since a battle against a horde that you can one-shot all of takes... a minute tops? You can fully EV train 5 pokemon in about 15-20 minutes or so that way, and as a bonus they will pick up some experience too. (This is of course slightly offset by having to obtain the BP for five copies of the relevant Power Items )

Source link on Smogon with reference for all the relevant hordes by EV gain.

Pokerus is therefore still highly valued - Super Training is a nice diversion, and is still handy for piling up Evolution Stones (from the Secret Super Training), but ultimately it's an inefficient way to train.

--

(edit) Finally got a 6IV Scraggy. It's male, which is what I was hoping, but picked up the wrong ability (and since I was aiming for the Hidden Ability I can't even fix it with the Ability Capsule). Gah. Well, he'll just have to enjoy his retirement being used as breeding stock, whilst I use a 5IV version with the right ability for battle.

On the plus side this means I can get on with the other breeding projects I had planned.

[Ultimuh]

I guess this is kind of related to this thread?

[neotemplar]

Speaking of

Like actually doing it this time, I got a female with adament and inflitrator and now need to Iv up it and a duckett to make the final form.  Annoyingly this means breeding duckets.

What do you need the Duckett for? Egg moves?

With duckett I can combo Brave Bird and Defog.

[BuriBuriZaemon]

With duckett I can combo Brave Bird and Defog.

Oh gotcha. It's a good alternative to Rapid Spinner. I played Pokemon Showdown for the first time yesterday and on top of being addictive, I also learned that:

Rapid Spinner can be countered by Gengar (or any ghost-type) since it is a physical Normal attack that needs to hit before the secondary effect of removing entry hazards is triggered. Mega Gengar can even trap the Rapid Spinner with its ability.

Probably old news, but new to me. :p