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Total Members Voted: 51

[Greiger]

It has rock slide now instead because rock slide with sheer force is something like 100 power, and it's not fast enough to flinch anyway.  Dragonair has been rejiggered with waterfall, so it should be able to beat ground for me instead.  Toxapex is gunna have scald/surf/or liquidation (which one depends on practical testing) too, but I can't imagine toxapex is gunna do much to anything that isn't poisoned.

[umiman]

It has rock slide now instead because rock slide with sheer force is something like 100 power, and it's not fast enough to flinch anyway.  Dragonair has been rejiggered with waterfall, so it should be able to beat ground for me instead.  Toxapex is gunna have scald/surf/or liquidation (which one depends on practical testing) too, but I can't imagine toxapex is gunna do much to anything that isn't poisoned.

Does your Toxapex have recover? Because that's all you need as that thing is basically immortal. It has two protects, recover, uses toxic sludge to heal, and has slots for two attack moves if you want.

Or rest if you want to be ultra, maximum-level lame.

[Greiger]

Yep recover is part of the plan.  Toxapex is one of the pokes that I only have a soft plan for.  It will have recover and the poison protect.  But other moves are up to what works out in practice. Currently considering the aforementioned water moves, but there's also venoshock and toxic spikes.  I'm thinking venoshock on something poisoned with merciless might actually be able to do some damage despite the poor offensive stats.

[Culise]

Oh, I found out something else about Mimikyuu as well, since we were discussing it a couple pages back.  It appears that Fake Out and Knock Off are not the only secondary effects that slice through Disguise; Nuzzle will as well, and paralyzing it should have a wee bit of an effect on its "set-up and sweep" capabilities.  It seems probable that almost any move with a practical secondary effect should give it an interesting time. 

It's probably old news, though.

[umiman]

Oh, I found out something else about Mimikyuu as well, since we were discussing it a couple pages back.  It appears that Fake Out and Knock Off are not the only secondary effects that slice through Disguise; Nuzzle will as well, and paralyzing it should have a wee bit of an effect on its "set-up and sweep" capabilities.  It seems probable that almost any move with a practical secondary effect should give it an interesting time. 

It's probably old news, though.

Anything that has a secondary works on Mimikyu I believe.

[Akura]

I haven't checked, but do multi-strike moves - Fury Swipes, Double-Slap, Arm Thrust, etc. - cause damage to Mimikyuu on the second+ hits?

[Reudh]

I haven't checked, but do multi-strike moves - Fury Swipes, Double-Slap, Arm Thrust, etc. - cause damage to Mimikyuu on the second+ hits?

Presumably, yes. Those can break substitutes, and Mimikyuu's disguise functions like a substitute except that it only blocks one hit of damage, not secondary effects. I haven't actually encountered enough Mimikyuu to test, but it's probable that it does break Disguise.

[umiman]

I haven't checked, but do multi-strike moves - Fury Swipes, Double-Slap, Arm Thrust, etc. - cause damage to Mimikyuu on the second+ hits?

None of those moves work on Mimikyu. Because Mimikyu is ghost type.

Bullet seed and stuff like that work.

[Sirus]

Isn't Fake Out a nomal move? How would it bother Mimikyu at all?

[Culise]

Isn't Fake Out a nomal move? How would it bother Mimikyu at all?

As far as theorizing is concerned, Foresight, Scrappy, or the like.  Of course, no one runs Foresight or its clones competitively (and using these would block Fake Out due to the first-move requirement), and as far as I know, the only Scrappy Pokemon that learn Fake Out are Kangaskhan (which prefers its Mega for Parental Bond) and Mega Lopunny (which isn't available in SuMo as far as anyone has determined thus far), so that's a bit of a wash. 

[RedWarrior0]

Also Pixilate/Galvanize/Aerilate/Refrigerate, but I'm not sure if anything gets those and fake out.

[Akura]

They don't.



Not to change the subject, but how do regional variants work in the Pokemon data structure? Is there a data flag that puts a given Pokemon from being from a region with a variant(assuming its expanded for regional variants beyond Alola's), or is it specific to the game? If a non-Alolan Pokemon, such as Ratata, is traded into Sun/Moon then evolves, does it evolve into Alolan Raticate? What about Pokemon that don't have a regional variant, but evolve into one that does(such as Pikachu)? If a non-Alolan Pikachu is traded to SuMo and evolves, does it become Alolan Raichu?

[Sirus]

From what I heard once, default Pokemon brought in from other games will, upon evolving in SuMo, take on Alolan forms unless they are holding something. I think it was Eviolite but I can't really remember.

Not that it really matters at the moment, since AFAIK there isn't a way to bring Pokemon from older gens into SuMo yet.

[RedWarrior0]

From what I heard from teh haxorz (and a couple sentences on serebii.net), stuff like normal Vulpix and normal Sandshrew evolve into normal versions but Pikachu, Exeggute and Cubone evolve into the Alolan version.

An imported (non-Gen7) non-Alolan pokemon with an Alolan form will breed to produce the Alolan form unless it's holding an everstone. Acquiring normal Raichu, normal Marowak, and normal Exeggutor is only possible through importing.

[Ruludos]

Pokemon Go's Christmas event has started, at least in part. All Gen-2 baby pokemon with the exception of Tyrogue are now available in-game, and until the 29th wild Pikachu will sometimes spawn with Santa hats, which they will keep after capture.