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I ATTAC

8 (15.4%)

I PROTECC

6 (11.5%)

Waiting on the third one

2 (3.8%)

Waiting on the third AND fourth one

1 (1.9%)

GET WELL SOON ZYGARDE

5 (9.6%)

I am a concientous objector and abstain from taking up arms

30 (57.7%)

Total Members Voted: 51

[shinyarceus4]

Victini's got that magic 100-all-around stat pool, and V-Create hits like a truck even against neutral enemies.  I haven't used him, but he seems pretty decent.  He's got the same problem as Latios et al that his signature move lowers his damage, but it hits so hard you'll barely notice.

V-create lowers stats enough to justify a switch right after using it. At least it's the strongest move that doesn't kill your Pokemon.

[Reudh]

I dunno, my Choice Specs Rotom-H with Overheat still hits pretty freakin' hard even after one harsh stat drop.

[penguinofhonor]

I want them to release a Pokemon with Contrary that can use a stat drop move.

Besides Spinda.

[shinyarceus4]

I want them to release a Pokemon with Contrary that can use a stat drop move.

Besides Spinda.

If only DW Snivy... *dreams of Leaf Storm*

[Reudh]

I want them to release a Pokemon with Contrary that can use a stat drop move.

Besides Spinda.

If only DW Snivy... *dreams of Leaf Storm*

I stand by what I said to my friends. Moderately good SpAtk with Serperior, spam leaf storm x 3? Instant ultra powered sweeper, no prediction required.

Resist? +6 Leaf storm. Even better? +6 Choice Specs Leaf Storm. That will dent even the toughest walls.

[Alkhemia]

Just beat Burgh that was pretty tough only had my Golbat and Gabite left his Scyther's X-Scissor is no joke it one shot 3 of my Pokemon.

I'd love to see a Nuzlocke Challenge of this hack.

[Heron TSG]

Been using the amaranth coelacanth, Relicanth, today. He works pretty darn well as a missile on my Ubers rain team. I've done the math for basically every Ubers threat, and he can outspeed and OHKO scads of things, particularly with stealth rock down. Better than Kabutops as a Kyogre partner for sure. (And now to make an actually decent team asides from Kyogre and Relicanth...) 

[Reudh]

It's a pity Kabutops is so substandard, it has an amazing design.

[Shakerag]

Just starting Black2 over again.  Deciding to do a mono-poke run this time.  As soon as I can trade it over, it's just going to be me and Stunfisk against the world. 

[Cthulhu]

If they gave a dude contrary and leaf storm/overheat/draco meteor/etc. he'd be banished to ubers within the month.

[Errol]

Even at like 10 base Sp. Atk?

[Bluerobin]

If they gave a dude contrary and leaf storm/overheat/draco meteor/etc. he'd be banished to ubers within the month.

I think the point of the Reudh's Serperior comment was that it exists already.

[Heron TSG]

If they gave a dude contrary and leaf storm/overheat/draco meteor/etc. he'd be banished to ubers within the month.

Like Serperior? Because that's Serperior's dream world ability. It's usable in some Pokemon Online metagames, and it's a sight to behold. Especially with a Choice Scarf. Quagsire can't even ignore its boosts due to Leaf Storm being a grass move, but Miltank, Sawsbuck, and Bouffalant can wreck it with Sap Sipper and a fire move. (Miltank's Fire Punch is excellent for this.) I believe he's still only OU or UU with that though, because there are enough faster Pokemon that you can revenge kill him or otherwise kill him. Ninjask can take the first leaf storm without batting an eye, even after Stealth Rock damage. The second can hurt him, but on turn two he'll be fast enough to outspeed even Choice Serperior and KO with X-Scissor. In fact, none of Serperior's viable moves can do more than a possible 2HKO, even after Stealth Rock damage. Heatran can also tank Leaf Storm with ease, and return fire with Eruption or any other fire move. In fact, most 4x grass-resisting and some 2x resisting Pokemon can counter him, so long as they're fast enough. (Or scarfed.)

I suppose a Life Orb set on Serperior could work with Hidden Power, but otherwise the only decent special move he gets is Leaf Storm. And the drop in speed would make him trivially easy to counter.

[penguinofhonor]

Someday I'm going to go into a Pokemon simulator with Contrary+Coil Serperior and everyone will learn to fear me.

[Cthulhu]

Most simulators that run on Wifi rules don't allow unreleased Dream World abilities.

Also, remember that Ubers classification isn't just about strength, it's also about centralizing the meta.  If every team needs a specific strategy to counter contrary/leafstorm serperior, that could be grounds for banishment too.

And let me rephrase that, a pokemon with contrary and leaf storm that can actually put it to good use. Ninjask isn't uber because even with free +6 speed he's not gonna crush a decent team, whereas Blaziken is, because he can.