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[FearfulJesuit]

Can we have a citation for the loons about microchipping?

[RedKing]

Can we have a citation for the loons about microchipping?

http://www.snopes.com/politics/medical/microchip.asp

Chain emails making the rounds. Looks like this idea first got traction about 3-4 months ago, died down, and is now back with a vengeance. Snopes (and factcheck.org and other "clearinghouse" type sites) have debunked it, only to be met with cries that they're a network of George Soros-owned sites which spread disinformation and vet each other to lend an appearance of legitimacy.

That is some primo Kool-Aid.

[Aklyon]

Can we have a citation for the loons about microchipping?

Can we give citations to the loons while we're at it for wielding weapons-grade stupid without a permit?

[Andir]

Everyone complains about social cohesion and helping the less fortunate and when someone shows their lack of education or ignorance on the matter, we point and laugh.  Yeah, that's helping things.

Well, no. We (in this case, those on all sides of the political spectrum actually willing to engage others) extend our hand and try to help, and get either a metaphysical or literal gun shoved in our face and told to go screw ourselves because,

It's not that there's no attempt at dialectic, it's just that a subset of the political population responds to attempts at dialogue and increased understanding by just yelling that much louder and probably threatening violence. Frothing loon is as good a term as any for that sort.

It just gets tiring.  I don't understand why people feel the need to point it out and laugh at every freaking occasion.  (Hell, the Progressive thread got re-opened and that's full of examples.)  It just feels to me to be "high and mighty" attitude... the "Ho ho... look at that frumpy simpleton!" man and wife walking down the street talking out loud like nobody can hear them.  It only serves to bait and troll for responses and bloat egos.

We are all aware that the world is full of stupid people.  Most people would say: "You're preaching to the choir." about such statements, but it seems to get re-enforced here.

[mainiac]

There is no enforment provison.http://www.forbes.com/sites/peterjreilly/2011/11/12/obamacare-insurance-mandate-another-circuit-heard-from/ (paragraph 3)
http://www.heritage.org/research/reports/2010/07/obamacare-impact-on-states (see number two, coverage rules, paragraph 7.)

The enforcement will take the form of withholding the tax refund for that year.  This was established quite a while ago.  The fact that these "news" organizations are lying to you should really tell you to stop filling your mind with forbes and heritage.  Forbes and heritage are not news, they are propaganda mills.

[RedKing]

Everyone complains about social cohesion and helping the less fortunate and when someone shows their lack of education or ignorance on the matter, we point and laugh.  Yeah, that's helping things.

Well, no. We (in this case, those on all sides of the political spectrum actually willing to engage others) extend our hand and try to help, and get either a metaphysical or literal gun shoved in our face and told to go screw ourselves because,

It's not that there's no attempt at dialectic, it's just that a subset of the political population responds to attempts at dialogue and increased understanding by just yelling that much louder and probably threatening violence. Frothing loon is as good a term as any for that sort.

It just gets tiring.  I don't understand why people feel the need to point it out and laugh at every freaking occasion.  (Hell, the Progressive thread got re-opened and that's full of examples.)  It just feels to me to be "high and mighty" attitude... the "Ho ho... look at that frumpy simpleton!" man and wife walking down the street talking out loud like nobody can hear them.  It only serves to bait and troll for responses and bloat egos.

We are all aware that the world is full of stupid people.  Most people would say: "You're preaching to the choir." about such statements, but it seems to get re-enforced here.

Sorry, but I'm not buying it. If the decision had gone the other way, and you had equally clueless liberals wringing their hands over how they're gonna close all the hospitals now and we're all gonna die of cancer....my suspicions are that you'd be gleefully pointing out how ridiculous those claims are. I may well be wrong (and I'm sure you'll say I am), but it is what it is. If it bothers you, filter my posts.

[Andir]

....my suspicions are that you'd be gleefully pointing out how ridiculous those claims are. I may well be wrong (and I'm sure you'll say I am), but it is what it is. If it bothers you, filter my posts.

Yep, you are wrong, and I did say it.  (I'm also not sure how you have already pinned me into some political spectrum the is equally opposed to whatever viewpoint you have... I guess the political system is in full effect.)

(edit: Also, as far as I'm aware there is no filtering here.)

[RedKing]

(edit: Also, as far as I'm aware there is no filtering here.)

More's the pity.

[Aklyon]

(edit: Also, as far as I'm aware there is no filtering here.)

More's the pity.

THeres an ignore list.

[Andir]

(edit: Also, as far as I'm aware there is no filtering here.)

More's the pity.

THeres an ignore list.

Ah, found it... thanks.  It's odd that you can't ignore a person from their profile page.

[RedKing]

Yeah, I thought the same thing.
Irony: Andir and RedKing find some common ground, but too late....

[Mr. Palau]

There is no enforment provison.http://www.forbes.com/sites/peterjreilly/2011/11/12/obamacare-insurance-mandate-another-circuit-heard-from/ (paragraph 3)
http://www.heritage.org/research/reports/2010/07/obamacare-impact-on-states (see number two, coverage rules, paragraph 7.)

The enforcement will take the form of withholding the tax refund for that year.  This was established quite a while ago.  The fact that these "news" organizations are lying to you should really tell you to stop filling your mind with forbes and heritage.  Forbes and heritage are not news, they are propaganda mills.

Only 77% of tax payers recieved a tax refund. In 2010 42% of house-holds had no tax liability. The lower income portions of the population, who are the people this individual mandate intended to force to buy insurance, pay no direct federal taxes. There is no way you can withhold their money.
http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_many_people_pay_taxes_each_year_in_the_US
http://www.thesoapboxers.com/how-many-dont-pay-taxes/
And furthermore, forbes mentioned that the only measure for enforment was to withhold tax returns in the sentaqnce right after they stated thre was no enforment provision. And Heritage is a think-tank, it does not need to provide news.

[RedKing]

Heritage is a schill. They don't even remotely attempt to appear unbiased. Cato Institute and AEI, I have serious beef with, but they're at least grounded in reality. But Heritage ceased to be respectable years ago.

[Tellemurius]

There is no enforment provison.http://www.forbes.com/sites/peterjreilly/2011/11/12/obamacare-insurance-mandate-another-circuit-heard-from/ (paragraph 3)
http://www.heritage.org/research/reports/2010/07/obamacare-impact-on-states (see number two, coverage rules, paragraph 7.)

The enforcement will take the form of withholding the tax refund for that year.  This was established quite a while ago.  The fact that these "news" organizations are lying to you should really tell you to stop filling your mind with forbes and heritage.  Forbes and heritage are not news, they are propaganda mills.

Only 77% of tax payers recieved a tax refund. In 2010 42% of house-holds had no tax liability. The lower income portions of the population, who are the people this individual mandate intended to force to buy insurance, pay no direct federal taxes. There is no way you can withhold their money.
http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_many_people_pay_taxes_each_year_in_the_US
http://www.thesoapboxers.com/how-many-dont-pay-taxes/
And furthermore, forbes mentioned that the only measure for enforment was to withhold tax returns in the sentaqnce right after they stated thre was no enforment provision. And Heritage is a think-tank, it does not need to provide news.

i don't withhold anything and just wait for the money to come back next year.

[Nadaka]

Most people who pay no taxes, have taxes taken from their paychecks and are then refunded. You should know how that works.

The only people who can get away with it are those who have no legal income, or those choose to have no taxes withheld from their paychecks. And the later may (or may not, dunno would have to read more on it) get into trouble if they do not pay their full tax bill including the insurance fee.