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[MetalSlimeHunt]

Look on the bright side, Truean: Stupid customers are better than no customers.

[Aseaheru]

BUT THEN ITS NO FUN!

[Descan]

Look on the bright side, Truean: Stupid customers are better than no customers.

But they aren't customers.

They're complainers. Customers pay, complainers don't.

So she gets Stupid Complainers instead of No Complainers.

And still No Customers.

So it's doublesuck.

[Taniec]

I said my peace in the last thread some years ago. Essentially I am disappointed with the decision to go through and I hope that a better reform plan can be looked into as opposed to the current plan that is deemed by the public as "Obamacare"

[Tellemurius]

I said my peace in the last thread some years ago. Essentially I am disappointed with the decision to go through and I hope that a better reform plan can be looked into as opposed to the current plan that is deemed by the public as "Obamacare"

What can be better?

[Truean]

Look on the bright side, Truean: Stupid customers are better than no customers.

But they aren't customers.

They're complainers. Customers pay, complainers don't.

^^^
YES, very yes.

I've turned off my phone and stopped checking my email when it hit fucking 75.... Stupid people are stupid.

Wait...do they honestly think that you're going to argue on behalf of THEIR business (or whatever) in front of the Supreme Court?

I suppose you should be flattered, because they obviously consider you to be pretty damn prestigious. That, or they have no idea how the legal system works. It's the latter, isn't it? Damn.

You know it....

You know what, I should cash in on this. Nobody ever lost money underestimating the intelligence of the general public. I have two parties. One the first week for the complainers, and chat with them/let them bitch while slowly talking to them about things I actually can do for them: wills, trusts, other legal things etc. Then the second week, I have the supporters come around and let them fawn over their victory while slowly talking to them about things I actually can do for them: wills, trusts, other legal things etc.

The trick to playing both sides would be, of course, not letting either of the sides know that you're playing both sides. Meh? Maybe I should pick one and play it? Who knows.

Damn it, can't I just sell both sides guns already and be done with it?

[RedKing]

I said my peace in the last thread some years ago. Essentially I am disappointed with the decision to go through and I hope that a better reform plan can be looked into as opposed to the current plan that is deemed by the public as "Obamacare"

What can be better?

Lots of things. Problem is, different ends of the spectrum are going to have different "betters". You're either going to hear "single-payer system" or "private market competition".

The fact that almost everybody is unhappy with the result means that it's probably a good compromise.

[Aseaheru]

what i dislike about obama care is that its not single payer and it raises the cost of healthcare instead of lowering it.
its kindof like saying "you! buy this banana or i fine you! and i will now raise the cost of the banana!"

[RedKing]

No, it's more like saying "You must buy a banana from this market or I will fine you."
Some of the banana-sellers in the market may raise their prices, but there's a prisoner's dilemma there in that any seller who doesn't raise their prices stands to steal business away from their rivals. It would take an industry-wide cartel agreement to raise prices, which would fall afoul of anti-trust and price fixing laws.

The bigger problem is that it doesn't address the core production cost of the bananas.

[Aseaheru]

true.


i find it idiotic that we use Japanese medical equipment made to lower the cost of healthcare but we rase the price instead.

[Andir]

No, it's more like saying "You must buy a banana from this market or I will fine you."
Some of the banana-sellers in the market may raise their prices, but there's a prisoner's dilemma there in that any seller who doesn't raise their prices stands to steal business away from their rivals. It would take an industry-wide cartel agreement to raise prices, which would fall afoul of anti-trust and price fixing laws.

The bigger problem is that it doesn't address the core production cost of the bananas.

*cough*Mobile Phone Industry*cough* (yes, I know it's not mandated... but there are other relationships.)

[Taniec]

Proponents of the bill have been cited saying that the bill itself will probably not cause the rise in premiums, but that the general cost of healthcare just keeps going up. However, it needs to be recognized that if the bill passes and costs go down, it could just be because the general cost of healthcare went down regardless of the new laws of the bill. It's a straw man argument which kind of personifies the political atmosphere today. The bill's job is to lower premiums and cut costs and being told that there is no guarantee of either really makes me hesitant to support such a proposition.

I still think think reform is necessary, but not in the way that is outlined in the current proposed plan. If the U.S. is a country of choice, and if someone willingly chooses not to purchase health insurance, I find it hard to justify levying what is essentially tax on a the consumer. What is the government going to do when this tax is not collected? Garnish wages? Sent to jail? It's been a while since I last glossed over the bill so I can't say for certain what/if any repercussions there are. I think it would be much more beneficial for the U.S. government to prioritize a system which promotes regulated privatization of insurance instead of creating another social safety net.

Governments can NEVER be more economically efficient than private entities. The whole profit/non-profit argument is misleading. If the government run program ends up operating at a loss (and I will bet my bacon it will), the funds must be taken from elsewhere to balance it out. I believe the new bill will further exacerbate our problems for many while giving relief to some (relatively speaking of course).

These conversations always become hostile. I am no expert and I learn new things everyday, but I have no interest in debating such an issue in which the typical insult is "you stupid *enter political party here*" So now, I need to go back to work!

[MaximumZero]

true.


i find it idiotic that we use Japanese medical equipment made to lower the cost of healthcare but we rase the price instead.

Welch-Allyn stuff is made in upstate NY.

[Nadaka]

There is no magic in privatization that makes it more efficient. There is no actual reason govornment can not perform more efficiently than private industry. The opposite is however true. The profit margin of private industry IS inefficiency from the perspective of the cost of a utility.

The statement "Governments can NEVER be more economically efficient than private entities" is objectively and provably false.

[Aseaheru]

true.


i find it idiotic that we use Japanese medical equipment made to lower the cost of healthcare but we rase the price instead.

Welch-Allyn stuff is made in upstate NY.

ok..{go local industry!}
but alot of the newer equipment is made in japan where it is made primarily to lower costs.
als, nadaka, yes. thankyou.