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[Nighthawk]

They probably got it through steam via massive misrepresentation of what the product contained. It's not like its ERSB certified or anything

If it was ESRB certified it'd be 17+, not 18.

Because logic.

On the subject of mature VNs, though, I've been wondering: is it really necessary to put sexual content in visual novels? Is there anything to gain from it (aside from the obvious: sex sells)? I'd like to think that putting sex in a story doesn't really make it any deeper (pun not intended oh lord that was bad) or more emotionally engaging, since I've seen plenty of good stories that don't involve it and a number of awful ones that do.
I've been pondering this for a while, especially since I started hearing an abundance of short stories in this class I'm taking, where at least 50% of them somehow involve sex. Sometimes it feels like they just throw it in there for the hell of it, and to be honest it kind of bothers me.
Do I have the wrong idea? Can a story itself really gain from mature content in any way?

[USEC_OFFICER]

They could just censor it for Steam?  I thought that was already happening.

Considering that the Steam Community page for Endless Summer is blocked behind one of those 'I confirm that I am 18+'/'This content is not safe for all ages nor for work' pages... I'm going to guess that they didn't censor it for Steam. In fact, I've found at least a one other VN with explicit nudity and sex on Steam. And it shouldn't be too hard to find more, since there's now a _user-defined nudity tag for these sorts of things...

[Leafsnail]

It says "Nudity and explicit sexual dialogue", which are things you can find in triple-A games occasionally too.  I don't think they'd let actual pornography through into Steam though.

[USEC_OFFICER]

Oh... Never mind then, my mistake.

[frostshotgg]

Sakura Spirit doesn't actually have any nudity in it, definitely no sex. It's ecchi, comically so, but no actual ero. Everlasting Summer, looking through the cg set, doesn't appear to have any sex, although it does have nudity, which I think is allowable by steam's standards. Just no sex.

Also, I just learned recently that J-List (I think) is going to be selling Little Witch's Romanesque by the end of the year.  This kind of surprises me.

JAST, not J-list. J-list just resells stuff to scrublords for a ridiculous markup. JAST translates stuff, usually decently, but releases like once every eternity. LWR in specific had quite a bit of controversy around it, as Aroduc (the specific translator who worked on it, really cool dude) originally wanted to do a crowdfunding thing for it and got hella C&D'd.

[TamerVirus]

Instead we have Sekai Project and their crowd funding shenanigans, holding The entire Grisaia sequel translations behind Kickstarter stretch rewards

[Shakerag]

JAST, not J-list. J-list just resells stuff to scrublords for a ridiculous markup. JAST translates stuff, usually decently, but releases like once every eternity. LWR in specific had quite a bit of controversy around it, as Aroduc (the specific translator who worked on it, really cool dude) originally wanted to do a crowdfunding thing for it and got hella C&D'd.

Ahh, yeah, that's it.  I knew there was a 'J' in there somewhere  >_>

Still, surprised it's being brought over here and apparently not censored to all hell.

On the subject of mature VNs, though, I've been wondering: is it really necessary to put sexual content in visual novels? Is there anything to gain from it (aside from the obvious: sex sells)? I'd like to think that putting sex in a story doesn't really make it any deeper (pun not intended oh lord that was bad) or more emotionally engaging, since I've seen plenty of good stories that don't involve it and a number of awful ones that do.
I've been pondering this for a while, especially since I started hearing an abundance of short stories in this class I'm taking, where at least 50% of them somehow involve sex. Sometimes it feels like they just throw it in there for the hell of it, and to be honest it kind of bothers me.
Do I have the wrong idea? Can a story itself really gain from mature content in any way?

In so far as no-sex VNs are concerned, I hear Ever 17 is usually at or near the top of that list. 

I have more to say on that topic in general, but my lunch break is kind of over  >_>

[TamerVirus]

The best clean VNs off the top of my head are

Ever17 - a major mindfuck
Little Busters - a major feels game.

As it is, many highly received eroge tend to do updated rerelease that expunge the porn...while some celebrated all ages VN go on to having an 18+ rerelease/ expanded after story

[Leafsnail]

Higurashi no Naku Koro ni - mystery game set in a creepy small village.  Notable for actually having a really good and satisfying ending.
Umineko no Naku Koro ni - spiritual sequel to the above, it's like And Then There Were None with witches.  Expect an amazing soundtrack and constant audience manipulation.

[Furtuka]

There actually is a VN with H scenes on steam, but they were clever and made the H scenes only included as part of a patch availiable through te games website.

[Tellemurius]

There actually is a VN with H scenes on steam, but they were clever and made the H scenes only included as part of a patch availiable through te games website.

Which isn't technically wrong, as long as the content isn't included in release they can't be nailed for adult content for something people have to get out of their way to install.  Its not like Hot Coffee thats just disabled code hidden away. While these large influx of "adult" VNs flood Steam, just remember that A.O. never sells. Valve has a policy to keep out A.O. games on their lists. Mature rated will always be fine no matter the amount of skin shown or rubbing here and there.

[Furtuka]

HOLY SHIT MUV LUV IS GONNA DO A KICKSTARTER TO GET AN OFFICIAL ENGLISH RELEASE ON STEAM!

Necroing for crosspost of ^

[frostshotgg]

Disaster. That should not be applauded.

[Sirus]

So I've been giving so-called "kinetic novels" a shot; VNs that have no choices or gameplay basically. The one I completed last week was "planetarium: reverie of a little planet".

Spoiler: actual end-of-story spoiler (click to show/hide)

That death scene went straight past tear-inducing and quickly veered into "jeez get it over with already" territory. Yay 

[Leafsnail]

Disaster. That should not be applauded.

Huh?