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[Urist Imiknorris]

First off, I'd like to know if you're around right this second.  Rereading while I wait for an answer.

Bookthras is offline at the moment, please leave your message at the beep. *beep*

Is there any reason you were curious whether he's here or not?

[Bookthras]

First off, I'd like to know if you're around right this second.  Rereading while I wait for an answer.

You rang, sir? How may I be of assistance?

[Toaster]

Good.  I'm betting the farm that you're town.

Urist Imiknorris.

If you're scum, hammer him and win.  If not, say Clear and we'll continue.

[Urist Imiknorris]

The fuck. Isn't town's job to prevent King Mafia from winning?

[Bookthras]

If you're scum, hammer him and win.  If not, say Clear and we'll continue.

Clear. But I don't like this move of yours. If nothing else, you're also betting the farm Leaf is town too.

[Toaster]

Unvote.  Leaf had already voted UI, silly.

[Bookthras]

Oh right. I still don't like it, though, but I don't know how to interpret it just yet.

[Urist Imiknorris]

Toaster, why did you do that.

[Urist Imiknorris]

Oh wait, I see. Clever, but rather pointless if Book was scum with half a brain.

[Toaster]

I also didn't mention I had thought this out- Scum Book hammering UI would have lost-  Kill me and I res since I did nothing last night.  Kill Leaf and I steal his vote and hammer him the next day.  (At least I'm sure I could res and action tonight since my res depends on what I did the previous night- PM to Web is out clarifying this*. (UI:  He also hides his online status, the sneak.)

*And the result's in:  I would indeed die if I actioned the night I was killed, but I could have stolen his vote and it'd remain stolen, allowing Leaf to hammer Scum Book if he had hammered here and tried to kill me.

UI's still my top suspect, anyway.


Anyway, yeah.  Pretty sure you (Book) are town for various reasons; mostly not believing that you would have no-killed twice and opted to disable instead.  I've lost that gut feeling and no real scenario where you are scum makes sense.    That leaves UI or Leaf.


UI:  I made the start of a case here.

The Eradicate Plan has got me wondering.  Why eradicate instead of just lynch?  Assuming we no lynched, we'd end up pretty much where we would have been if we had just lynched Tiruin.  What was the benefit of doing it your way, UI?

This is highly inconsistent:

Toaster: Native is DEAD. You know Native is DEAD because you're waiting for Tiruin to explan why he hammered him. I think I want to eradicate you now for that massive slip.

That's what I get when I post right after waking up.

Me forgetting Native is dead is a near-capital offense.  You doing so is just brushoff-worthy.  This smacks of wanting to rush someone to their doom so whatever plan you've hatched up can be used.

In hindsight I should have waited until  he claimed.

Apologizing for killing town- scummy.

Finally, Leaf raises a good point here that I agree with.


Leaf: He's been unclear and confused a lot about PMs from Web:

http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=112233.msg3427565#msg3427565
http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=112233.msg3428752#msg3428752

But there's not much scummy I can find in his other content.


Web:  Just to be clear, if someone is targeted in the night with a disable, does it prevent them from acting that night?  (In other words, is it in effect a block for that night as well as a role disabler for the next two phases?)

[Toaster]

UI:  That's another reason why I wanted him online to do it- to give him less time to think.

[webadict]

Web:  Just to be clear, if someone is targeted in the night with a disable, does it prevent them from acting that night?  (In other words, is it in effect a block for that night as well as a role disabler for the next two phases?)

No. A disable prevents players from acting on the Day and Night following the disable, but not on the Night they are disabled.

[Toaster]

Thanks.  That shoots the "Leaf tried to kill me N1 and whoever N2 but was disabled" theory I had in the back of my mind.


Leaf:  Can you give more detail on your failed martyrdom?  Do you die if there are no other kills?  Do you die if there is another kill, but it was protected against?

[Urist Imiknorris]

UI:  I made the start of a case here.

And ignored my response to it.

The Eradicate Plan has got me wondering.  Why eradicate instead of just lynch?  Assuming we no lynched, we'd end up pretty much where we would have been if we had just lynched Tiruin.  What was the benefit of doing it your way, UI?

(emphasis mine)
You fail to see the sheer significance of someone not using up a one-shot daykill when the next day could very well be 3p?

Me forgetting Native is dead is a near-capital offense.  You doing so is just brushoff-worthy.  This smacks of wanting to rush someone to their doom so whatever plan you've hatched up can be used.

I would say that mis-extrapolating the number of votes to hammer (6p yesterday = 3 to hammer, thus...) is more forgivable than forgetting that a player is dead concurrently with demanding an explanation from the person who hammered him.

Apologizing for killing town- scummy.

Observation =/= Apology. If he had claimed before I killed him we'd at least know who he delayed.

Finally, Leaf raises a good point here that I agree with.

That I also answered.

UI:  That's another reason why I wanted him online to do it- to give him less time to think.

You assume he'd default to trusting you.

Your sad attempt at a case is laughable and only highlights your scumminess. Your gambit also rested on a hilarious assumption.

Leafsnail: Yes, I'd have been okay with having my kill lost, because a) I'd be too dead to care, and b) it wouldn't change the number of chances for town to kill scum (one eradicate + one lynch minimum vs. two lynches minimum).

[Toaster]

UI:

UI:  I made the start of a case here.

And ignored my response to it.

There wasn't much to respond to.

The Eradicate Plan has got me wondering.  Why eradicate instead of just lynch?  Assuming we no lynched, we'd end up pretty much where we would have been if we had just lynched Tiruin.  What was the benefit of doing it your way, UI?

(emphasis mine)
You fail to see the sheer significance of someone not using up a one-shot daykill when the next day could very well be 3p?

I know my opinion on it- I want to know yours.  Enlighten me.

Me forgetting Native is dead is a near-capital offense.  You doing so is just brushoff-worthy.  This smacks of wanting to rush someone to their doom so whatever plan you've hatched up can be used.

I would say that mis-extrapolating the number of votes to hammer (6p yesterday = 3 to hammer, thus...) is more forgivable than forgetting that a player is dead concurrently with demanding an explanation from the person who hammered him.

Yes, because you did it and not me.

Finally, Leaf raises a good point here that I agree with.

That I also answered.

In the technical sense, yes.  It hardly excuses it.

UI:  That's another reason why I wanted him online to do it- to give him less time to think.

You assume he'd default to trusting you.

What else would he do?  Say "LA LA I CAN'T HEAR YOU?"