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[nenjin]

As long as we're on the topic, anyone got any Soma Prime Parts? I think I just need the receiver to complete it.

[nenjin]

Invite is sent. I'll promote you later on tonight.

[nenjin]

Promoted. FWIW, not many people pay attention to things that need contributions beyond clan research. And since you're new you're probably strapped for materials and cash. So if there's something you started you'd like help with, let me know. Outside of the big ticket resources like Forma or Orokin Cells or Cryotic or Kuva or Oxium, I've got plenty of other stuff.

[milo christiansen]

So, how are the relic farms going everyone?

I basically have everything from the Lith relics, and I'm working on farming up the Meso relic. This is very slow sadly...

Speaking of "almost everything": As a special offer to Bay12 members, I'll trade a Rhino Prime Neuro BP for a Scindo Prime BP. Straight trade one for the other, no plat or anything. Both items are uncommon drops from the Lith relic, but the Rhino part is worth about 10p more (I just don't feel like messing with trades). First come, first serve. (I'll probably be online in a bit less than an hour, IGN is MiloLC)

[nenjin]

I haven't done much relic farming lately. I find it pretty damn dull even though it's 1000x better than old relic farming.

Mostly doing PoE stuff. I'd like to have a Zaw built and maybe an upgraded Amp before Fortuna and all the rest of that noise drops.

Yes I know that's pretty backwards in terms of what actually matters in WF, but eh. All the stuff I actually want is vaulted these days and just amassing stuff to sell so I can buy a single Mod every few weeks off of Baro just doesn't motivate me to log on and do something. Plus I feel like you need to actually grind to get the complete set of relic items you need. Casually doing it just results in 30 half complete WFs and weapons that you eventually need a spreadsheet to figure out what you need to complete them.

[MrRoboto75]

Relics are ass.  Every prime I own is the result of just opening them randomly and just so happening to get all the parts of a set.  If I consciously go for something and actually refine relics I never get what I'm looking for.  Then I run out of the one relic I need or the void resource to refine them, so I have to grind that for a while instead.

[Ozyton]

I had just gotten caught up on all the primes/relics at the beginning of the year when they suddenly released a new prime warframe. By the time I got that sorted out another one was coming out. I doubt I'll ever really be able to keep up with it with how infrequently I play.

[Flying Dice]

Relics are ass.  Every prime I own is the result of just opening them randomly and just so happening to get all the parts of a set.  If I consciously go for something and actually refine relics I never get what I'm looking for.  Then I run out of the one relic I need or the void resource to refine them, so I have to grind that for a while instead.

Still better than towers.

Granted, the ability to target specific drops is pretty much the only way relics are better than towers, but still. Even if the trace grind is one of the aspects of the game designed to encourage buying resource boosters.

[Ozyton]

When it comes to traces I just blow through some capture fissures with relics I don't need. If you don't get someone top drop a part you need or a rare part you can usually at least get a forma out of it. As long as people aren't screwing around you can do capture missions pretty damn quick.

Speaking of capture missions, I just found out that you can get the relics for the unvaulted stuff from Void capture missions (except for axi relics) which means roughly 1 relic per 1-2 minutes.

[Teneb]

For farming fissures, I find that certain mission types are way better than others, when it comes down to efficiency. Unfortunately, a lot of people don't realise that and go for Defence and Survival instead. Mind you, Defence can be good if there is one or more frames like Mesa, Reverberating Quake Banshee, Saryn or a nuke-build Limbo, who all do really well in these sorts of missions (as long as they remember to let enemies get corrupted first, which some don't).

But the ones to open relics real fast? Capture (but you have to run straight for extraction once you do the capture and get the reagents), Interception, and Excavation.

'Course, it helps that I like both Interception and Excavation and am damn good at the former.

[Greiger]

I enjoy defense missions more, primarily because I don't feel like I'm just bullet jumping past all the content.  But yea capture missions are definitely the quickest.  I find it's a balance between enjoyment and doing it as efficiently as possible.

[nenjin]

Survival seems like a good idea, but I've often failed to collect enough traces by the 3rd rotation to open a relic. It's annoying because people spread out during survival, and so the drops spread out, and I swear the drop rate on traces starts to tank the higher the waves go. Between those two things, I find myself scrambling to collect traces instead of killing stuff.

So yeah, I'd rather run 1 capture mission at a time than have to make pressured relic decisions and choices during survival, and spend most of the match chasing down traces.

[Teneb]

Survival seems like a good idea, but I've often failed to collect enough traces by the 3rd rotation to open a relic. It's annoying because people spread out during survival, and so the drops spread out, and I swear the drop rate on traces starts to tank the higher the waves go. Between those two things, I find myself scrambling to collect traces instead of killing stuff.

So yeah, I'd rather run 1 capture mission at a time than have to make pressured relic decisions and choices during survival, and spend most of the match chasing down traces.

Frankly, the thing that makes survival the worst to do relics is because you only crack open one relic every five minutes. This is rivalled only by Mobile Defence because the Lotus is a terrible hacker who takes too long.

Spy missions can be pretty fast too, but I only run those solo or with my best friend because it's so easy to mess up and ruin everything if you haven't burned the vaults into your memory.

But, and this is the most important thing: you should play whatever mission you find fun. I just find survival to be the least fun endless mission around, so opening relics at a snail's pace in them makes it even worse.

[Rose]

Spy missions are dope solo. I love figuring out new tilesets. There's only one type that I haven't figured out how to consistently do undetected, and that's one where you need to do extreme parkour, apparently.

[nenjin]

I too enjoyed doing Spy missions solo. The rare time I feel like you get to appreciate WF at a moderate pace. But once you know the layouts they're a little less fun to do. Operators also trivialize a good chunk of the obstacles now. Or you play Loki.

But Survival is straight up the most enjoyable mission type to me. Bathing in the endless murder stream is to me the best part of WF outside of the movement. Exterminate, Capture, Excavation, Assassination, Interception, Sabotage...all the other missions are things to be blown through as fast as possible. Mobile Defense is spicey for 3 minutes three times and it's over, and Defense has the long pauses between enemies or when one of them glitches out and you have to hunt them down.

Survival though.....that's where the game is the spiciest. At 45 minutes on almost any map, the game is throwing everything it can at you and the spawns are so thick there are guys to kill every time you turn around. Dodging, rolling, gliding, all while shooting or meleeing your guts out, it's glorious. It's the only time I've ever felt the game even remotely comes close to having a sense of balance. Everything else is either far too easy and not threatening, an annoying boss fight, or level 100+ enemies where everything but the most broken combos fall apart. "At level" survival once you've survived enough waves to get things rolling is where how good your gear is and how well you move come together and you actually get in to a flow state. The only downside is the time you have to invest in the mission to get it to that point....but high enough level gameplay keeps the challenge semi-relevant until you get there.

By comparison I find pretty much every other mission type a necessary waste of my time or wholly focused on just getting to where you're going as quickly and stylishly as possible. No other mission type lets me get into that WF flow state for a satisfying amount of time except Survival or very, very high level endless variants, all of which will usually have a failure point other than being overwhelmed as part of the bargain.