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[Ross Vernal]

Meta-note: Not quite Astartes, but the Humans have read their own fiction and are trying to get there. People familiar with 40k might notice the lack of occulobes, the venom glands, pre-digestive stomach, fused ribcage, etc.

I have a friend into botany who works at a nursery if you are interested in knowing more about the plants.

Also, I am considering delegating the first Gen 1 Queen to the most constant poster on here, and following queens to other players based on post frequency and queen development. While it would still remain a suggestion game and such, Queen do have enough intelligence to figure out things on their own.

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You have the Drones pick 11 more Flowers to set up in the Hydroponics Test Lab and order the Tech Drone to update the AK-AEPS suit design, and produce a full cycle for Soldiers, Queens, and the Commander. It probably wouldn't do much to stick armor on the Predator, given its natural status as a heavy cavalry / tank unit, so You don't.

You consider your knowledge of Queens. Aside from the occasional rebel, any Daughter or Sister queens of yours would be totally loyal. It might be independent, rather like the Tech Drone, but would obey Your orders. You further recollect that to convert any larvae into a Queen, it would take at least 2 Units of Royal Jelly if not more, although 1 will do to start. You don't know much else about it, but suspect that a Soldier Queen Larvae would most likely be more advanced than a Drone Queen Larvae, based on common sense. You examine the Commander eggs and note the growing larvae inside bears somewhat of a resemblance to You.

In the meantime, you and the Tech Drone set about wiring and preparing computer systems, as well as doing some of the more delicate parts installation. You conclude early as the Drones return, and set about working with the NavDrones to integrate the bio-computers into the dead network as the Tech Drone reverse-engineers and rebuilds the Mechanical Repair Drones, based partially off of his own body. By the time he is complete, the Drones don't much resemble the ugly little boxes they were before, but are now much closer in appearance to Us.

You scan the seeds. There is kudzu, kiwi, potatoes, sprouts, cabbage, lettuce, tomato, radish, quinoa, hops, wheat, seaweeds, and various flowers, many of which appear to be for food, but several for other uses, both recreational and industrial. You especially notice a "poppy" plant and a "cannabis" plant that appears surprisingly close to the hops. There are also several mushroom spores.

All of the plants have been selected for growth rate, cold tolerance, and utility, and heavily genetically modified.

With this being done, You watch the Humans play their game and note strategies. The Strangerfixing and improvements have gone well, and You order the NavDrones to quietly set up a site for its release.

It is morning. Several eggs have hatched.

[You Are:

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1 Queen Kai (Full) (Wearing Powered AK-AEPS)
1 Level 3 Nurse Drone (Full)
1 Level 2 Navigation/Programming Drone (Full)
1 Level 2 Navigation Drone (Not Hungry)
1 Level 2 Tech Drone (Not Hungry) (Wearing AEPS)
1 Level 1 Digging Drone (Not Hungry)
17 Digging Drones (Not Hungry, Gen 1)
15 Basic Drones (Not  Hungry)
17 Basic Drones (Not Hungry, Gen 1) (Wearing EPS)
7 Basic Drones (Almost Full, Gen 1)
4 Flying Drone (Almost Full, Gen 1)
1 Soldier (Gen 1)
1 Soldier (Not Hungry, Gen 1) (Wearing AEPS)
2 Flying Soldier (Gen 1)
1 Flying Soldier (Not Hungry, Gen 1) (Wearing AEPS)
1 Flying Soldier (Not Hungry) (Wearing AEPS)
3 Basic Soldier (Not Hungry) (Wearing AEPS)
1 Predator Drone (Gen 1)
5 Drone Larvae (Gen 1)
3 Flying Drone Larvae (Gen 1)
2 Soldier Larvae (Gen 1)
2 Flying Soldier Larvae (Gen 1)
1 Predator Larvae (Gen 1)
1 Nurse Larvae (Gen 1)
15 Laid Drone Eggs (Gen 1)
9 Laid Flying Drone Eggs (Gen 1)
8 Laid Soldier Eggs (Gen 1)
8 Laid Flying Soldier Eggs (Gen 1)
1 Laid Predator Eggs (Gen 1)
1 Laid Nurse Egg (Gen 1)
2 Laid Commander Egg (Gen 1)
2 Queen Flowers (Mature / Recovering.2) )
9 Active Underground Flowers
4 Ripening Aboveground Flowers (Cold-Tolerant)
68 Immature Aboveground Flowers (Cold-Tolerant)
26 Immature Competing Queen's Flowers
12 Hydroponic Queen's Flower
A Mechanical Flying Scout of Human Origin
8 Mechanical Flying Light Scout
1 Mechanical Flying Soldier
1 Experimental Stealth Carrier
1 Basic Aircraft

Your Fertilized Eggs

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6 Gen 2 S-1 (Medium, Winged, Improved Sensory, Intelligent)
6 Gen 2 S-2 (M Wing Improved Sensory)
6 Gen 2 S-3 (M Wing Intelligent)
6 Gen 2 S-4 (M Wing)
8 Gen 2 S-5 (Small, Wing, Improved Sensory, Intelligent)
6 Gen 2 S-6  (S Wing Improved Sensory)
6 Gen 2 S-7 (S Wing Intelligent)
6 Gen 2 S-8 (S Wing)
8 Gen 2 T-1 (M, Improved Hands, Improved Sensory, Intelligent)
6 Gen 2 T-2 (M, Improved Hands, Intelligent
6 Gen 2 T-3 (M, True Hands, Improved Sensory, Intelligent)
6 Gen 2 T-4  (M, True Hands, Intelligent)
3 Gen 2 T-5 (Large, Improved Hands, Improved Sensory, Intelligent)
3 Gen 2 T-6 (L, Improved Hands, Intelligent)
3 Gen 2 T-7 (L, Improved Sensory, Intelligent)
3 Gen 2 T-8 (L, Intelligent)
3 Gen 2 T-9 (Small, Improved Hands, Improved Sensory, Intelligent)
3 Gen 2 T-10  (S, Improved Hands, Intelligent)
3 Gen 2 T-11 (S, Improved Sensory, Intelligent)
3 Gen 2 T-12 (S, Intelligent)

Your Nest
Location - the general area of Here
Outdoors - Very Hard to Detect by Casual Scans

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Insulated Improved Non-Reflective Level 2 Agricultural Earthworks with Many Flowers of Life
Improved Sensory Array: Sensory Array, Visual Sensory Arrays
Level 2 Defensive Earthworks: Camouflaged Heavy Assault Armor Plating, Internal Fortifications, Medium Pulse Cannon, 7x Anti-Air Double-Barreled Rail Cannons, Heavy Artillery Emplacement
Open Dead Lava Tube, concealing a Partially Constructed Multi-Vehicle Launch System
{Open Dead Lava Tube}
{Covered Trap Pit}

Indoors

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Improved Defensive Earthworks: Camouflaged Heavy Assault Armor Plating, Internal Fortifications, Security Interlocks
Insulated Reinforced Queen's Chamber with Two Queen's Flowers and Eggs (Automated)
Insulated Level 2 Flower Chamber with Nine Flowers of Life and a Hydroponic Queen's Flower
Insulated Level 2 Improved Industrial Technology Lab with an Improved Automated Weapons Facility, a EPS Suit Assembler, a Universal Parts Assembler, a Vehicle Bay, & a Molecular Assembler
Insulated Improved Human Containment Lab Subsection (Sleeping Pads, Chairs, Water Supply, Disconnected Computer Network)
Insulated Improved Food Synthesizer with a Biorecycler and Bacteria Vat (Unit of Food & Unit of Human Food Templates)
Insulated Fusion Reactor Chamber
Insulated Improved Heating Tunnel: Internal Ventilation System
Reinforced Expansion Tunnels to Queen's Chamber
Queen's Chamber with 38 Competing Flowers (Deep, Automated)
Improved Defensive Cave-In Tunnel 1 (Improved Internal Fortifications, Long Drop)
Constructed Tunnel to Ice
Constructed Tunnel to MVLS
Partially Constructed Multiple Vehicle Launch Pad (Improved Security Interlocks)

You Own

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A Bunch of Spare Parts: (Computer, Mechanical, Fusion Reactor, Weaponry)
2 Charged Portable Batteries
Point Defense Laser / Smelter
A Lot of Damaged to Intact Metal Plating
Many Computer Parts / Wiring
1 Diagnostic Computer
A Kinetic Energy Penetration Warhead
1 Telemetry Computer
Display Panels
4 Dormant Flowers
1 Dormant Cold-Tolerant Flower
Relevant Tools
A Queen-Sized Heavy Energy Machine Gun
3 Soldier-Sized Heavy Pumped Energy Tribarrel
1 Tech Drone-Sized Heavy Pumped Energy Tribarrel
10 Human-Sized Mid-Caliber Assault Projectile Weaponry
5 Human-Sized One-Shot Rockets
3 Human-Sized Grenade Launchers
59 Human-Sized Recoil-less Low-Caliber Handheld Projectile Weaponry
Human Ammunition
40 Human Gas Grenades
A Soldier-Sized Pressurized Acid Blaster
4 Soldier-Sized Pumped Pulse Blasters
16 Drone-Sized Laser Cutters
Earthen Insulation Materials
Glass Insulation Materials
Functional Greenhouse Glass
5/8 Ship Thermal Insulation
Iron / Iron Pellets
Water / Ice
Carbon
Nitrogen
Calcium
Phosphorus
Potassium
Oxygen
Silicon
Sulfur
Sodium
Chlorine
Perchloric Acid
Sulfuric Acid
Scrap Metal
Scrap Plastic
A Barrel of Improved Fertilizer
3 Canister of Queen's Pollen
6 Canisters of Pollen Fuel (Underground Variant)
1 Seed of Life
1 Stripped Human Landship
A Bunch of Human Junk
3 Human Biological Testing Computer
2 Human Mechanical Repair Drone
6 Sacks of Human Seeds

Your food supplies are:
13 Units of Food
4 Units of SQSF

Your food requirements per Hunger Level are:
Drones - 1/10 of a Unit of Food
Soldiers - 4/10 of a Unit of Food
Levels 1-4 - A Unit of Food
Queen - A Unit of Food / Reabsorb 20 Eggs
Level 5 - 2 Units of Food

Your prisoners are:

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1 Tall Human Female With Gold Shoulder Decorations (Queen)
3 Medium Human Males with Red Crossed Arm Decorations (Tech Drone)
1 Large Human Male "Stampy" with Barcodes (Can Listen, Can Come Kind Of Near To Almost Talking)
9 Large Human Males with Barcodes (Soldier)
1 Medium Human Female (Drone)
8 Medium Human Females (Drone)
5 Medium Human Males (Drone)
10 Weak Humans (Drone)

Your Inventions (new section, correct me if I missed anything)

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AI Virus
An Entertaining Strategy Game (Beta)
Pressurized Acid Blaster
Pumped Pulse Blasters
Laser Cutters
Heavy Energy Machine Gun
Heavy Energy Tribarrel
Battery
Mechanical Scout Drone (Light Variant, Killer Variant)
Environmental Protection Suit (Armored, Powered, and Anti-Kinetic Variants)
Magnetohydrodynamic Propulsion System
Light Ferrofluid Railgun Cannon
Medium Pulse Cannon
Stealth Scout Fighter
Food Synthesizer
Fusion Reactor
Various Computers
Sensory Array
Heavy Artillery
Cluster Munitions (Anti-personnel, Chemical, Incendiary, Anti-Armor)
Magnetic Shield
Basic Flyer
Stealth Air Kai Carrier
Stealth Visual Sensory Array

Your Planets:
Unnamed Yellow Dwarf Sun [Sol]
Unnamed Iron-Rich Cold Partially Terraformed Planet, 4th from Unnamed Sun [Mars]
- Unnamed Moon [Phobos]
- Unnamed Moon [Demios]

[10ebbor10]

Give the flowers the seeds. Plant them near them or something, and watch what they do. They wanted to have them, so they can have them. Give some to the humans, see what they do too.

We should try to get acces to the Martian airspace and orbit control center, or whatever controls those. Knowing where most of the planes are headed is good, and if we're subtle enough, we should be able to divert ships not to fly above us.

We should construct some sort of hibernation chamber, so that we can freeze the predators when they are not needed. Berzerkers are not fun.

Also a dedicated nursery for eggs and larvae.

We will need to design a vehicle to carry predators and other troops a bit faster than walking. Light armor and basic camouflage.

Try to see if there's an overarching terraforming control center. If we could subvert that to our uses later, we could terraform the place to be usefull for us.

Last, designing a system where we place the magnetical shields in a semirandom way around us would allow for better defense, while making it harder for enemies to target us from orbit.

Spoiler: Longer term plans (click to show/hide)

-Finish the Vehicle launching system
-Prepare the attack
     - Virus
     - Antisattelite rockets
     -Attack vehicles
     -Transport vehicles
     -Soldiers
-Defenses
     -Shield
     -Bunkers
     -Deep space sensors
     -Interception technology

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Btw: SHouldn't the launch system be finished.

[Aklyon]

It is a good idea to have the commanders far behind, ebbor, but armoring them anyway helps us, having a commander who can take a decent hit without dieing means a commander who can shout an alarm out to the rest of Us about sneak attacks, etc.

[bukitodinos]

Spoiler: Longer term plans (click to show/hide)

-Finish the Vehicle launching system
-Prepare the attack
     - Virus
     - Antisattelite rockets
     -Attack vehicles
     -Transport vehicles
     -Soldiers
    - possibly brain slugs

fixed

[Ross Vernal]

It will be done tonight, unless specific "pull all drones to work on X project" orders are given.

The Nurse is currently in the deeper Queen's Chamber with the eggs and larvae, and some backup Flowers. It's smart enough to take precautions for survival.

Also, the "modify self for greater iron content in the carapace" is actually a pretty valid plan. It obviously won't come near the AEPS for protective value, but a few generations of breeding should have some tough little bastards. It just takes proper applications of Royal Jelly.

The Human Soldier who killed Our soldier got a very lucky shot. The AEPS won't currently stop a heavy railgun shot, but it does considerably reduce damage. It can, of course, be improved further, but as it stands, it is a self-heated suit of light armor with environmental protection, trauma plates, etc. You are pretty sure you can design Medium and Heavy armor, and possibly integrate some other useful features into it, but creating individual mecha-like suits is presently implausible. Tanks are, of course, more plausible.

This is not to say You cannot create a suit to mount heavy artillery on a Predator or light artillery on a Soldier, but yeah.

[Aklyon]

Where are Mecha-Tanks on that plausibility scale?

[10ebbor10]

Where are Mecha-Tanks on that plausibility scale?

Practically useless. I never got why you wanted to give a tank feet. It introduces weak points, drives up the cost, harder to stealth and much more.

[Aklyon]

I wasn't really considering it, but I wanted to have an extra point to scale things besides 'mechsuit' and 'tank'.

[10ebbor10]

It will be done tonight, unless specific "pull all drones to work on X project" orders are given.

The Nurse is currently in the deeper Queen's Chamber with the eggs and larvae, and some backup Flowers. It's smart enough to take precautions for survival.

Also, the "modify self for greater iron content in the carapace" is actually a pretty valid plan. It obviously won't come near the AEPS for protective value, but a few generations of breeding should have some tough little bastards. It just takes proper applications of Royal Jelly.

The Human Soldier who killed Our soldier got a very lucky shot. The AEPS won't currently stop a heavy railgun shot, but it does considerably reduce damage. It can, of course, be improved further, but as it stands, it is a self-heated suit of light armor with environmental protection, trauma plates, etc. You are pretty sure you can design Medium and Heavy armor, and possibly integrate some other useful features into it, but creating individual mecha-like suits is presently implausible. Tanks are, of course, more plausible.

This is not to say You cannot create a suit to mount heavy artillery on a Predator or light artillery on a Soldier, but yeah.

Sadly, high iron content gives certain disadvantages, mostly concerning magnetic scans and such. Also, it's rather heavy.

Anyway, would it be simple to create an artillery cannon similair to the V-3? Basically a very large cannon, with an extremely long barrel. Rather than having one charge, it uses multiple charges, added to the sides of the barrel. As the shell passes, these are detonated, propelling the projectile at high speeds without stressing the barrel to much. That will allow us to design high ramge, high power artillery whitout needing to go high tech/ high cost.

The weak point is that it is dug in, and therefore can't be moved much. (Course changing glider shells can help that a bit)

I wasn't really considering it, but I wanted to have an extra point to scale things besides 'mechsuit' and 'tank'.

Well actually, I would place it above mechsuit. Afterall, skeleton like systems (ie mechanical walkers and such) get more problems as their size increases.

[Ross Vernal]

I do greatly prefer to stick close to, y'know, physics and the rest, but yeah, there will be a point where science will be discarded in favor of science fiction, because I honestly can't think of some sort of supernova weapon currently under development, and I said "gravity" for shielding when... yeah, that... kind of no.

(psst, I will never ever ever say 'no, you cannot weaponize that')

I did point out we were based on the Invid, who are known to make mecha, right? Also, I point in the vague general direction of Heavy Gear.

[10ebbor10]

Then again, if you put the same amount of money in the development of tanks and such, you'd get more firepower for the same cash. Tanks have the advantage of being threaded, allowing them to traverse difficult terrain and such. Mechs would be more usefull in urban/very jagged environements, with lots of cliffs. They will have problems with terrain that can't support their weight, and things like loose rubble and such.

The only advantage from mechas is that they lok impressive, but so does a tank which has just blown your defenses to pieces.

Come to think of it, do we know what caused the wars, where there people siding with us, and would they kill us should they find us.

Also, I can't see why an insectoid race would construct humanoid tanks. Insectoid(many legged) tanks are a bit more realistic, as the larger spread of weight and more legs increases balance and such.

[Ross Vernal]

I've read the Evil Overlord list. I am totally willing to just discard engineering and say that transformer vehicles can be made for rule of cool. We would, naturally, make them closer to Our appearance than those of the Humans.

What caused the wars? We tried to kill everyone not Us or subjugated to Us (read: everyone not Us.) There were probably a few minor slave races here and there, or "specifically bred to be eaten" races, but for the most part, it was Us.

Obviously, our as of yet un-named Imperial opponents think nothing of casually destroying a solar system to get rid of Us. You are not at all certain that they particularly care about the billions of Humans in the system, given the billions of Humans out of the solar system.

[10ebbor10]

I've read the Evil Overlord list. I am totally willing to just discard engineering and say that transformer vehicles can be made for rule of cool. We would, naturally, make them closer to Our appearance than those of the Humans.

What caused the wars? We tried to kill everyone not Us or subjugated to Us (read: everyone not Us.) There were probably a few minor slave races here and there, or "specifically bred to be eaten" races, but for the most part, it was Us.

Obviously, our as of yet un-named Imperial opponents think nothing of casually destroying a solar system to get rid of Us. You are not at all certain that they particularly care about the billions of Humans in the system, given the billions of Humans out of the solar system.

I'd like to stay with science; as long as there's some kind of logic between things, working out suggestions is way easier. After all, I can go ahead and determine the logical effects of the suggestion. As soon as we're going to far into the just because we can thing, we'll get strange things.

Again though; I have nothing against breaking physics, as long as it is broken in a logical and consistent manner. (ie, mechas can exist because aliens have superior alloys and programming skills (getting legs to cooperate is hard))

[Ross Vernal]

Again though; I have nothing against breaking physics, as long as it is broken in a logical and consistent manner.

This is exactly the kind of thing I am aiming at, stupid moon elevator aside.  +1 to everyone who points out inconsistencies and the actual science of things. Knowledge is power.

[Zecro_The_Scourge]

I for one vote for advanced infantry power armor, not quite mechs but I hope they could field an anti tank rail gun and a heavy automatic gun.