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miauw62

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Companions swim now...?
« on: June 21, 2012, 09:39:58 am »
So, i swam over a major river, feeling all like "fuck my companions, i'll get some new ones on the other side".
So i swam over.
And they came with me.
They didnt drown, they made it over easily.
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« Reply #1 on: June 21, 2012, 10:05:16 am »
If you cross a river, it doesn't necessarily mean a death sentence for your companions. Sometimes they will make it over - though they may show up as Drowning if you look at them.

Of course, if there is anything in the water they can attack then they will run over to attack it, which will almost fuck you over as they all get themselves killed since they can't swim.

Pretty sure they also gain skills as well so if they swim long enough they will go from Dabbling, to Novice, to Adequate.
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Re: Companions swim now...?
« Reply #2 on: June 21, 2012, 10:21:21 am »
You'd really think that Swimming is one of those basic skills that everyone should know...
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« Reply #3 on: June 21, 2012, 10:59:59 am »
One of the things that every Saharan nomad needs to know, indeed... ;)

(Actually, it's said (with a truth behind it of a certain undefined value of "true") that a lot of professional sailors never learnt to swim, in various historic times.  If you're swept off a boat in the middle of the Pacific/Atlantic/Mediterranean/Aegean/significantly-beyond-your-homeport's-harbour-walls or whatever your current degree of extreme sailing might be, then swimming isn't going to help at all, you might as well just drown from the off...  And even in a coastal shipwreck situation, if you're not already going to be washed directly onto a soft, sandy beach, you've probably not got anywhere to swim to, what with the jagged rocks and cliffs.  I suppose, though, it depends on how much idle (non-urban) time as a youth you might have had, to go messing in the nearest river and not die in the effort.)
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« Reply #4 on: June 21, 2012, 11:03:43 am »
Yeah, but if there are rivers FUCKING EVERYWHERE, you'd expect people to be able to at least swim over that...
Or leave the giant hippos alone, AT LEAST.
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« Reply #5 on: June 21, 2012, 11:30:38 am »
Quote from: Monk321654 on June 21, 2012, 10:21:21 am
You'd really think that Swimming is one of those basic skills that everyone should know...

On the other hand, swimming across a flowing river while in armor...
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« Reply #6 on: June 21, 2012, 12:30:23 pm »
I've had some companions swim into battle with me. The most recent non-swimmer was, tragically, an elite crossbowman. The regular crossbowman survived. Shame.

I should think that the invention of bridges nullified the need to swim. And besides, who has the time to learn while the homestead's crops and livestock need seeing to?
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miauw62

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« Reply #7 on: June 21, 2012, 12:32:14 pm »
Mh, most recent casuality: a bronze breastplate wearer hammerman
Some seem to swim, others dont.
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Re: Companions swim now...?
« Reply #8 on: June 21, 2012, 01:51:39 pm »
You can train them: Go in the river, wait until they follow, get out again. Rinse and repeat until they stop drowning.
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« Reply #9 on: June 21, 2012, 01:57:55 pm »
Quote from: Helgoland on June 21, 2012, 01:51:39 pm
You can train them: Go in the river, wait until they follow, get out again. Rinse and repeat until they stop drowning.

I tried that. They all "stopped drowning" pretty quickly.
It wasn't that pleasant to watch.
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Re: Companions swim now...?
« Reply #10 on: June 21, 2012, 03:27:34 pm »
By using Dfhack and switching into companions, I found it is fairly common for them to have novice level swimming to start with (at least among my sample of like 10 from I think 34.06).  In any case, they definitely *can* have some starting swimming ability.  Whether there is any logic to who knows how to swim is not clear...

I could do some !!Science!! if there is a strong interest.  Then again, Toady is likely to change lots of follower related stuff in the next release, so maybe not worth worrying about that much.
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« Reply #11 on: June 21, 2012, 03:32:34 pm »
Quote from: EmperorJon on June 21, 2012, 01:57:55 pm
Quote from: Helgoland on June 21, 2012, 01:51:39 pm
You can train them: Go in the river, wait until they follow, get out again. Rinse and repeat until they stop drowning.

I tried that. They all "stopped drowning" pretty quickly.
It wasn't that pleasant to watch.
People really need to specify these things, right? "Stop the bleeding!" they said. They didn't specify how.
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Re: Companions swim now...?
« Reply #12 on: June 21, 2012, 03:48:19 pm »
Patch it up with dirt!
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« Reply #13 on: June 21, 2012, 04:20:44 pm »
Hrm. My solution was a little more... surgical than that.
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« Reply #14 on: June 22, 2012, 04:09:47 am »
Quote from: Headhanger on June 21, 2012, 04:20:44 pm
Hrm. My solution was a little more... surgical than that.
Remove all blood?

(Sometime I'm going to make an adventurer with the butcher profession who takes care that all his victims are kosher in the end :D )
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