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Which version of therapist do you use for dwarf management

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Tirion

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Re: Which therapist do you use?
« Reply #45 on: June 22, 2012, 09:34:43 am »

I use the Splinter version, as it allows viewing the attributes and assigning dwarves to squads, which makes for quick and efficient gameplay.
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Re: Which therapist do you use?
« Reply #46 on: June 22, 2012, 10:02:09 am »

I dont use the roles function at all, and I dont even know how to, thus using it as the classic version.
The function has a list of labours, and for each labour it has a list of which stats and attributes are most important to the labour. Then it looks at each dwarf's stats and ranks them by how high their relevant stats are for each labour. The initial display is a confusing mess of red and black with horizontal streaks of red and black representing dwarves with particularly good or bad overall stats, but you tune that out and either pick a labour to reorder the dwarves by or look for black areas in the red horizontal streaks.

I've found that if a dwarf is really good or bad at one thing, they're generally good or bad at most things. The 'roles' function is good for picking out dwarves that are generally rubbish but have one thing that they're good at, so you give them that job.
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Re: Which therapist do you use?
« Reply #47 on: June 22, 2012, 11:18:42 am »

My mind has been shattered by the realization that so many people are playing without any kind of dwarf managing utility.
I still don't see what's wrong with combing through the labours, attributes, histories, relationships and everything else over 180 Dwarves, one by one. It's easy.

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Re: Which therapist do you use?
« Reply #48 on: June 22, 2012, 08:25:03 pm »

Everyone reading it "The Rapist", please stop. It goes to show where your mind dwells. Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar, and Dwarf Therapist may just mean "DF frontend job manager". Thank you.

Relax, it's an in joke.  There is a dwarf therapist tutorial video which everyone but you has seen, in which the narrator mispronounced "therapist" as "the rapist."  Funnier if you're a fan of one or more X: the Y games (Magic: the Gathering, Changeling: the Dreaming, Werewolf: the Apocalypse, there's a lot of 'em with that name formula).


I use none.  No masochist, just another ubuntu 12.04 user.
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Re: Which therapist do you use?
« Reply #49 on: June 22, 2012, 08:34:03 pm »

The reason I use The Rapist is for the best function it has. Sort by migrant wave. That function lets me quickly integrate every new migrant wave into the fortress with useful jobs within a matter of minutes.
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Re: Which therapist do you use?
« Reply #50 on: June 22, 2012, 09:45:50 pm »

My mind has been shattered by the realization that so many people are playing without any kind of dwarf managing utility.
I still don't see what's wrong with combing through the labours, attributes, histories, relationships and everything else over 180 Dwarves, one by one. It's easy.

Same here. 180 isn't that many.
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Re: Which therapist do you use?
« Reply #51 on: June 23, 2012, 09:50:40 am »

Relax, it's an in joke.
Rape is funny. ::)
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I am trying to make chickens lay bees as eggs. So far it only produces a single "Tame Small Creature" when a hen lays bees.
Honestly at the time, I didn't see what could go wrong with crowding 80 military Dwarves into a small room with a necromancer for the purpose of making bacon.

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Re: Which therapist do you use?
« Reply #52 on: June 23, 2012, 12:49:30 pm »

Relax, you have a therapist to work your issues out with, remember? :P
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Re: Which therapist do you use?
« Reply #53 on: June 23, 2012, 02:15:24 pm »

I'm more surprised by the fact that more people use the rapist to control their Dwarves's professions.

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Re: Which therapist do you use?
« Reply #54 on: June 23, 2012, 02:54:58 pm »

Relax, it's an in joke.
Rape is funny. ::)

No, but no subject is so dark and bleak as you can't make a joke about it, not even censorship with the offended feelings of minorities and victims as an excuse.  Which is irrelevant as it's not even a joke about a rape, it's about a (deliberate) narrator goof and the stupid formulaic titles of many otherwise entertaining products.
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Re: Which therapist do you use?
« Reply #55 on: June 23, 2012, 03:17:25 pm »

I've never seen the need to use any utility to manage my insane little bastards. I set the labors that need to be set, and things get done.
Using outside utilities feels like easymode at best and cheating at worst. But that's just my opinion, man.

It's the difference between spending one minute with the game paused to configure labors or spending 10 minutes with the game paused to configure labors.  Doesn't have any different effect on game outcome, it only shortens the amount of time spent navigating the interface.  To call that cheating seems very, very strange to me.  Do you enjoy wasting time or something?
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Re: Which therapist do you use?
« Reply #56 on: June 23, 2012, 03:32:24 pm »

I've never seen the need to use any utility to manage my insane little bastards. I set the labors that need to be set, and things get done.
Using outside utilities feels like easymode at best and cheating at worst. But that's just my opinion, man.

It's the difference between spending one minute with the game paused to configure labors or spending 10 minutes with the game paused to configure labors.  Doesn't have any different effect on game outcome, it only shortens the amount of time spent navigating the interface.  To call that cheating seems very, very strange to me.  Do you enjoy wasting time or something?

Why would it take 10 minutes?

Also, meh. It skips out on the individual profiles of Dwarves, you miss some things.

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Re: Which therapist do you use?
« Reply #57 on: June 24, 2012, 01:29:04 am »

Relax, it's an in joke.
Rape is funny. ::)

No, but no subject is so dark and bleak as you can't make a joke about it, not even censorship with the offended feelings of minorities and victims as an excuse.  Which is irrelevant as it's not even a joke about a rape, it's about a (deliberate) narrator goof and the stupid formulaic titles of many otherwise entertaining products.
The entire point of this forum is proof that anything can be made hilarious. I'm just surprised that people are more upset about this then they are about the thread about Brutally torturing training dwarven childen with dogs and magma . BEGONE HEATHEN, SATISFY YOUR SENSE OF MORAL OUTRAGE ELSEWHERE, BUT THIS IS A PLACE SAFE FROM YOUR INFLUENCE.
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Re: Which therapist do you use?
« Reply #58 on: June 24, 2012, 11:36:33 am »

I've never seen the need to use any utility to manage my insane little bastards. I set the labors that need to be set, and things get done.
Using outside utilities feels like easymode at best and cheating at worst. But that's just my opinion, man.

It's the difference between spending one minute with the game paused to configure labors or spending 10 minutes with the game paused to configure labors.  Doesn't have any different effect on game outcome, it only shortens the amount of time spent navigating the interface.  To call that cheating seems very, very strange to me.  Do you enjoy wasting time or something?

Too many people seem to be misreading me. Let me clarify what I actually said.
I wasn't saying that using Therapist is cheating, I said outside utilities (in general terms) feel like(to me), easymode at best (Therapist as an example - and only because it can sometimes show you info that's not readily available otherwise) and cheating at worst (for example utilities that allow you to edit your dwarves/other creatures on the fly, not to name any names) - But that's just my opinion, man.
Is it more clear now that I'm not calling using Dwarf Therapist cheating?
Anyway, about time management. It takes basically no time at all to set up labors on a migrant wave. Managing the existing population is pretty simple as it only requires checking the unit list for idlers every now and then, and assigning them more work - at their workshops. A bunch of idling masons? Make more blocks! I don't understand why people are swapping their dwarf labors all the time anyway, unless they're just trying to do too much at once in a low population fort - and even then, I can't see why you'd turn off most of the labors - just add the labor you need to more dwarves so somebody does what needs to be done. All your idlers should be in one place, it takes like 10 seconds to do. And as far as keeping track of who does what... the game already gives them their job titles, and since all my dwarves either specialize in one labor or do everything under a job category... why would I not just let the game title them by default? It does exactly what I want it to do with no extra input from me.
In short therapist doesn't offer me anything I would actually use that's not already easy enough for me to do in the game itself, and the time saving aspect is negligible for me.

But hey, my play style and dwarf management concepts are clearly very different from yours. I certainly don't think any less of anyone who uses therapist. It's just not for me.
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Re: Which therapist do you use?
« Reply #59 on: June 24, 2012, 11:52:14 am »

I like that I'm one of the 4 who voted other. Who're the other three, I wonder?
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