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Cypher Pete

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Urgent help with basic algebra and its symbols.
« on: June 15, 2012, 09:31:54 am »

i'm a certain user in this forum, and for security reasons, i've decided to make a dummy account to maintain anonymity.

so, here's my dilemma:

my education was cut before the complex math subjects, and now that i'm back to being schooled again, i need to understand how to do math, or more accurately, understand basic algebra and their symbols.

there's a lot of good websites showing how to do just that, but as i've said before, i can't understand them because i don't understand what most symbols mean, as shameful as it may be, and i don't have enough time to skim through that.

so all i need is a basic explanation on how to:

add
subtract
multiply
divide

using only algebra. it would help me if you guys showed me more complex examples and explanations to said examples so i'd get an idea of what i'm reading.

i hope i'm not being too demanding, and i don't think i'll be logging in this account/respond in this thread again. so thanks.
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Re: Urgent help with basic algebra and its symbols.
« Reply #1 on: June 15, 2012, 09:37:47 am »

Algebra is just normal maths using placeholder letters instead of numbers. The symbols are the same. Add is +, Subtract is -, etc.

EDIT: It's the same as doing maths with real-world units. Adding two lengths in feet together: 2 feet + 3 feet = 5 feet. 2f + 3f = 5f. You've already done it!
EDIT2: Bare letters have an implied "1", so e.g. f + f = 1f + 1f = 2f. F could be anything: feet, watermelons, donkeys, it doesn't matter, 1+1 is still 2.
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Re: Urgent help with basic algebra and its symbols.
« Reply #2 on: June 15, 2012, 11:26:40 am »

Also, the number before a letter, called the coefficient, is an implied multiplication (which i usually write as * on the PC rather than x or the dot) of the letter. So basically, 5f = 5 times f. As Thief mentioned, f can be any number, or even a whole equation by itself. Say, f = 5 + 5, which gives us that 5f = 5*(5 + 5), or 50. The parentheses around 5 + 5 imply that this is to be solved before doing anything else, so (5 + 5) is effectively the same as 10. I'm not actually sure what level you're at, so forgive me if i say something you already know in and out.

However, letters can also be unknowns, in which case you're generally asked to isolate the unknown. This is fairly easy with a single unknown (as long as there aren't too many log's and ^2's and square roots, but they aren't part of basic algebra as far as my limited knowledge goes). If you have an equation that is like 2x + 4x + 7 = 13, you can start out by adding the x's, so it goes like 6x + 7 = 13. To remove the +7, just subtract 7 on both sides, so that 6x + 7 - 7 = 13 - 7, which means that 6x = 6. If your next guess was to divide both sides with 6, then you're completely right, since 6x means 6 * x. So, 6x/6 = 6/6, which gives us the delightfully simple solution of x = 1. If you then put 1 in where x otherwise is, we get that 2 * 1 + 4 * 1 + 7 = 13.

Using a single letter is fairly straight forward (just do the operations on the number before the letter), though it gets a bit tricker when you involve two or more. For example, if you have x + y, you can't further shorten that without knowing what either of those mean. Something like x * y can be shortened to xy, and even worse, 2x * 3y becomes 6xy. If you didn't know already, a lacking operator (plus/minus/divide/multiply) implies multiplication, so 6xy means 6 * x * y. Multiplication can be done in any order, so don't worry too much about that. When you eventually find the values of x and/or y, just substitute that number for the symbol. Say, x = 3 and y = 4, giving us that 6xy = 6 * 3 * 4 = 6 * 12 = 72.

Addition and subtraction are both simple, and multiplication isn't that bad either. Division is a smidge harder, however, since there are a few oddities to take note of. Using (x + y)/x as an example, we can split that one up into two divisions; x/x + y/x. Since a number divided by itself equals 1, that gives us 1 + y/x. If we say that 1 + y/x = 8, we then get that 1 + y/x - 1 = 8 - 1, and thus, y/x = 7. Multiplying a division by the divisor neutralizes said component, so y/x * x = 7 * x, and thus y = 7x. To make anything out of that, you need a second equation, so let's say y/2 + x = 3. We know that y = 7x, so we can insert that, giving us 7x/2 + x = 3. So, we divide 7x by 2, which is pretty easy; 3,5x. Then we get 3,5x + x = 3, and 4,5x = 3. Which is a pretty horrible number, but regardless, to find x, we divide 3 by 4,5, which is the coefficient of x. 3/4,5 = 0,667, so x = 0,667. We can then find out that y = 7 * 0,667, which is equal to 4,667. Insert these numbers into the original equation, (x + y)/x, and we get (4,667 + 0,667)/0,667 = 8.

tl;dr terrible crash course in basic algebra

Sorry guys but sometimes it's nice to ramble about basic algebra after all that college level calculus. :c
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Re: Urgent help with basic algebra and its symbols.
« Reply #3 on: June 15, 2012, 02:20:43 pm »

I hope this is simple enough. Just read through this and then read through Shook's explanation. It should reinforce what I have here and explain isolation, which is very important.



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Re: Urgent help with basic algebra and its symbols.
« Reply #4 on: June 15, 2012, 05:24:45 pm »

TF, in your first example of the division paragraph there's a singularity at x = 0 that you failed to catch.
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Re: Urgent help with basic algebra and its symbols.
« Reply #5 on: June 15, 2012, 05:58:55 pm »

TF, in your first example of the division paragraph there's a singularity at x = 0 that you failed to catch.

Yeah... I didn't mention it because I'm just explaining the basics.

When you have 0/0 you have an odd point in which the answer can't exist. It exists everywhere else though. Calculus addresses this issue, but it isn't addressed right away in algebra. If you need to draw a graph of the answer it'll have a hole at the 0/0.
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Re: Urgent help with basic algebra and its symbols.
« Reply #6 on: June 15, 2012, 06:26:21 pm »

thanks guys. funny how i said i wouldn't log in and post, but i still did.

anyway, i'm still reading shook's post and doing my darndest to understand it, so i probably don't have questions until i can grasp the subject better.

ps: sorry for the lowercaps.
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Re: Urgent help with basic algebra and its symbols.
« Reply #7 on: June 15, 2012, 06:36:21 pm »

I really struggled with Algebra too, don't feel bad. Just remember you're substituting things in for the letters, and otherwise at the most basic level, it's still just basic math.
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Re: Urgent help with basic algebra and its symbols.
« Reply #8 on: June 15, 2012, 08:35:54 pm »

Do we need to go as far as graphs?
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Re: Urgent help with basic algebra and its symbols.
« Reply #9 on: June 15, 2012, 10:20:03 pm »

I learned most of my math by getting ahead of the curve, learning my previous math class as well as possible, rather than starting with what is new and hard.


Learn the old shit really really really well and the new shit becomes like three times easier! And possibly more reliable too.

I think trying to jump directly into algebra is wasting your time, unless you directly need it to pass, right now.
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Re: Urgent help with basic algebra and its symbols.
« Reply #10 on: June 15, 2012, 10:40:52 pm »

You should be doing basic math untill you can figure out Algebra much easier.
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Re: Urgent help with basic algebra and its symbols.
« Reply #11 on: June 17, 2012, 04:24:10 am »

i managed to wrap my mind slightly on this subject, so thanks guys, but now I have a few other questions.

what are the most important (basic or not) math tricks to make solving most problems with ease and speed?

once again, thanks a lot.
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Re: Urgent help with basic algebra and its symbols.
« Reply #12 on: June 17, 2012, 09:35:19 pm »

Sorry if this is too advanced/simple. Algebra 1 and 2 are a little blurred.

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« Reply #13 on: June 17, 2012, 10:05:01 pm »

Really, the only way to solve problems with ease and speed is to first struggle to solve a whole bunch of different problems. Algebra is a skill you have to acquire through practice.
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« Reply #14 on: June 18, 2012, 07:57:33 pm »

There are SOME "tricks" in algebra, that are mostly memorized. Like, what is (x + y)²
(that's "the square of x plus y" which amounts to (x + y) multiplied by (x + y). Not sure if you'd call them shortcuts or what.

Actually the formula was (ax ± by)², where a is a number, b is another number, and ± is either + or -.

Carp, I don't remember the result. Something like a²x² ± abxy + b²y².

Not telling you to learn this right now, but it's probably one of the first formulas you learn. Practice the basics first:

If 3x = 12, that means x = 12 / 3 (you transpose factors/divisors by swapping it up or down the "division" line. also you don't normally use the division sign ÷ in algebra, and "/" is just the poor's man division sign for programmers. "real" algebra you just draw an horizontal line, like this)

x = 12
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3

If x + 1 = 8, that means x = 8 - 1 (additions/substractions you can move to the other side of the equal sign and swap the plus/minus).
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