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Loud Whispers

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Re: Diamond titan
« Reply #45 on: June 16, 2012, 12:14:40 pm »

But i think that their survivability is very random. I have seen blob made of water who killed more than 100 people, which is very unlikely to happen.
If the blob attacked first, devastating skull crushing force push against their skulls.

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Re: Diamond titan
« Reply #46 on: June 16, 2012, 12:27:56 pm »

Well, strategy plays a role here. If it only atttacks trapped/webbed dwarves, it will kill them all nearly instantly, but if you attack from all sides, it might not be able to web them all at once. . An attack from all sides might allow for a few dwarves to get hits in before getting webbed, which could slow it to the point where anothe dwarf could get a hit. Essentially, once the dwarves had fractured the legs, it couldn't move fast enough to hit webbed dwarves. They went for the tusks, and Also, for fun I assumed control during one of the tests, perfect kill rate, no injuriesonce those were gone death rates went down significantly.
I justr tried it out, surronded diamonds survived barely 10 seconds, while hallway or anything similar  was a complete and total disaster.
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Re: Diamond titan
« Reply #47 on: June 16, 2012, 02:30:47 pm »

Speaking of gemstone megabeasts ... I just got a visitor!

Ugsnor, Forgotten Beast.  A towering quadruped composed of demantoid.  It has a round shell and it squirms and fidgets.  Beware its poisonous vapors!

Demantoid, according to the raws, is a kind of garnet with a [SOLID_DENSITY] tag slightly higher than blue diamond.  So I guess I will find out what the next siege can do against a gemstone Forgotten Beast.  I'll report the results whenever they show up.  (Alas, the goblins just left from our christmas party, but I am at war with the humans and they haven't shown up for a while now.)
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I don't understand, though that is about right with anything DF related.
I just hope he dies the same death that all dwarfs deserve: liver disease.
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Re: Diamond titan
« Reply #48 on: June 16, 2012, 02:52:14 pm »

From my tests in this area, if there are axegobbos, or a axe lord, there may be a chance that they kill him. Otherwise, the best you can hope for is that they break him completly, end up in a endless battle to the death, use your marksdwarves to pick them off, then Send in as many axedwarves as you can find in hopes of killing him. He will only die if you cut off the head, Only that. I saw one that had almost every part of its body completely cut off, and it was alive and kicking (not literally, as its feet were gone, but you get the idea.)
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Re: Diamond titan
« Reply #49 on: June 16, 2012, 03:34:46 pm »

Happily almost a hundred greenskins, mounts and troll friends arrived just after my last post.  I connected the caverns with the aboveground and the siege for whatever reason decided to head downstairs and visit my little guest where they encountered each other in a 1-tile-wide tunnel.

Ugsnor killed the first squad of seven or eight down the tunnel easily.  A few of them succumbed to its poisonous vapors, which caused them to bruise all over and both eyes to immediately rot out.  They ran off but shortly died from suffocation as they began to suffer full-body rot, including all organs. 

Then the rest of the siege arrived, including a hammerlord and the goblin law-giver, an elite bowgoblin.  They fought in the tunnel for a bit, but eventually Ugsnor decided to move back out into the caverns with all four feet removed but still very much alive and "kicking" so to speak.  Most of the rutherer and giant olm mounts were easily dispatched by the rot.  The goblins were a little bit better off, but a good dozen of them wandered off to suffocate and rot.  Another two dozen or so were dispatched by Ugsnor directly.  In the end, Ugsnor killed probably 40 or 50 goblins before a lucky(??) shot from the law-giver shattered his lower body, somehow, sending it flying away in an arc.  (The law-giver incidentally died shortly after by the rot.)  Some of the siege managed to retreat and run away, and the handful remaining were mopped up by my military.

So, in actual practice, a Forgotten Beast made of gemstone is a very, very dangerous critter.  Add in the rot and it could easily overwhelm your fort.  The best you can hope for is a really lucky shot like the one that took down Ugsnor.
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I don't understand, though that is about right with anything DF related.
I just hope he dies the same death that all dwarfs deserve: liver disease.
The legend of Reg: http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=65866.0
Atir Stigildegel, Legless Hero of Diamondrelic: http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=83136.0

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Re: Diamond titan
« Reply #50 on: June 16, 2012, 03:47:32 pm »

Happily almost a hundred greenskins, mounts and troll friends arrived just after my last post.  I connected the caverns with the aboveground and the siege for whatever reason decided to head downstairs and visit my little guest where they encountered each other in a 1-tile-wide tunnel.

Ugsnor killed the first squad of seven or eight down the tunnel easily.  A few of them succumbed to its poisonous vapors, which caused them to bruise all over and both eyes to immediately rot out.  They ran off but shortly died from suffocation as they began to suffer full-body rot, including all organs. 

Then the rest of the siege arrived, including a hammerlord and the goblin law-giver, an elite bowgoblin.  They fought in the tunnel for a bit, but eventually Ugsnor decided to move back out into the caverns with all four feet removed but still very much alive and "kicking" so to speak.  Most of the rutherer and giant olm mounts were easily dispatched by the rot.  The goblins were a little bit better off, but a good dozen of them wandered off to suffocate and rot.  Another two dozen or so were dispatched by Ugsnor directly.  In the end, Ugsnor killed probably 40 or 50 goblins before a lucky(??) shot from the law-giver shattered his lower body, somehow, sending it flying away in an arc.  (The law-giver incidentally died shortly after by the rot.)  Some of the siege managed to retreat and run away, and the handful remaining were mopped up by my military.

So, in actual practice, a Forgotten Beast made of gemstone is a very, very dangerous critter.  Add in the rot and it could easily overwhelm your fort.  The best you can hope for is a really lucky shot like the one that took down Ugsnor.
Yes, this is in line with what i've seen. The only wasy to be really sure, is to send the entire military as heavily trained and armed as possible. Sucess depends on whether they can beat it down before it, frankly, slaughters them all. hmm, the rot has a different role here, where the web exposed them to be slaughtered easily, but here, rot lacks the defensive capabilities of web. However, it would presumbably kill everyone alot faster if the battle drags on due incapacitation of swords and axes.

The only option is a zerg rush of axes and swords from all directions, it would appear. The only wat to kill is the same with the thralls, complete bisection or decapitation. So thralls, but impossibly difficult to injure and with webs and syndromes, that can only be hit by legends. This here is proof that there is no God, and if there is, He's a particularly mean DF player.
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Re: Diamond titan
« Reply #51 on: June 16, 2012, 05:03:55 pm »

so why has nobody turned this into a civilization that sends sieges yet?
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Re: Diamond titan
« Reply #52 on: June 16, 2012, 05:10:30 pm »

so why has nobody turned this into a civilization that sends sieges yet?
That would be worse then making thralls a civ. If you try that, I expect that no one will survive world gen, no one at all.
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Re: Diamond titan
« Reply #53 on: June 16, 2012, 05:15:11 pm »

make thralls a civ
I would like to mention when I was making sky-whales and Dwarf spirit forms that one hit KO'd bronze colossi (you don't even want to know what the sky-whales did), all of the other world gen entities survived just fine. No matter how powerful the enemy, the little guys still manage to breed faster. Even when I made both creatures have their own entities. A thrall civ wouldn't end the world just yet.

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Re: Diamond titan
« Reply #54 on: June 16, 2012, 05:34:45 pm »

make thralls a civ
I would like to mention when I was making sky-whales and Dwarf spirit forms that one hit KO'd bronze colossi (you don't even want to know what the sky-whales did), all of the other world gen entities survived just fine. No matter how powerful the enemy, the little guys still manage to breed faster. Even when I made both creatures have their own entities. A thrall civ wouldn't end the world just yet.
Have you even SEEN THE HORROR of a Diamond beast? It turns you cold. Frankly, I believe if we try it, they wil slaughter everything. THey are simply unkillable, and ridulosly powerful. It is the epitmoe of everything dwarves fear. Tusks, Inability to die in magma, inability to die to a platnium hammer, tusks, Inability to eat, sleep, do laundry, TUSKS. Frankly the are essentially immortal, with the web added in, they can survive a untold amount of misery and still win the day, if only by starvation. Frankly, If they ever ARE added to a world gen, They shouldn't even be allowed to BREED, lest the world collapse. A herd of these could slaughter all the clowns of the circus, lay waste to all empires, Destroy even the greastest adventurers, and you want to give them ARMOR!?!
Although, It might be fun to make them a domestic animal, and war-trainable.
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Re: Diamond titan
« Reply #55 on: June 16, 2012, 05:42:04 pm »

Have you even SEEN THE HORROR of a Diamond beast? It turns you cold. Frankly, I believe if we try it, they wil slaughter everything. THey are simply unkillable, and ridulosly powerful. It is the epitmoe of everything dwarves fear. Tusks, Inability to die in magma, inability to die to a platnium hammer, tusks, Inability to eat, sleep, do laundry, TUSKS. Frankly the are essentially immortal, with the web added in, they can survive a untold amount of misery and still win the day, if only by starvation. Frankly, If they ever ARE added to a world gen, They shouldn't even be allowed to BREED, lest the world collapse. A herd of these could slaughter all the clowns of the circus, lay waste to all empires, Destroy even the greastest adventurers, and you want to give them ARMOR!?!
Although, It might be fun to make them a domestic animal, and war-trainable.
Husks =/= Tusks.

Although that would explain the lethality of our Pacederm friends and enemies.
Again, I repeat, create your own unkillable planet sized civilization populated by even larger creatures, and they will not take over the world. They will win every war they embark on, but they won't wipe out the entire world.
Unless they declare war on everyone. But that doesn't happen often.

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Re: Diamond titan
« Reply #56 on: June 16, 2012, 06:08:37 pm »

God help us, more tests have been done, with a eye towards cooperation as would be expected in a civilized enviroment. HAVE YOU SEEN THE HORROR!?!?!? Frankly, this puts them at a riduculus advantage, quickly overcoming the aforementioned dragonsfire. Its horrible, I have melted their linbs, but they webbed me good. Now Im stuck in a loop of webbing me, and being unable to kill me. Im just going to die of thirst at this point.
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Re: Diamond titan
« Reply #57 on: June 16, 2012, 06:09:26 pm »

To butcher; take to the gem workshop for a yeild of 100 raw gems.
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Re: Diamond titan
« Reply #58 on: June 16, 2012, 06:23:30 pm »

I don't believe that material the titan or FB is made of is really that important. What if the same monster had different type of material, as only difference? I had some gemstone monsters, and they are rather weak if they don't have special attacks. I even have one cock who survived mano-a-mano on gemstone FB which shoots webs. The bird had its body dented, but so had the FB. After 60 screens of fight the bird escaped (and returned to the main dining room) and the beast was lured by artefact trap, and was later used to capture other beasts with its web. Both creatures still live, five years after their duel. In the meantime I had some more FBs, and all of them seem to be easily injured by steel spears. Now, FBs with toxic effects are a completely different story. They can be killed immediately (by spears for instance), but they are still deadly.

As for fire, it is really similar to zombies - they can be on fire, smoking and melting, but not dying. Once they are dead, they turn to ashes. The rational explanation is simple: magic.
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Re: Diamond titan
« Reply #59 on: June 17, 2012, 07:55:52 am »

Just so the behemoth won't get lonely:

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