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[Agdune]

Uu-! Uu-! If liking ponies is challenging and redefining masculinity, then moe anime is the same, ne?!

Moe's been around even longer than Friendship is Magic, uguu! I want to be masculine too!

Uhm... let's just focus on the things that don't have grunting, pseudo sexual noises in 'em for now. Small steps sir, small steps...

And MaximumZero; While that probably sucks a bit, the various types of agnosia are bloody fascinating. I've studied them a bit, but the implications of them can be pretty unexpected. Very cool, objectively speaking.

[MaximumZero]

The big question is this: Fucking forks! How do they work!?

Eating rice krispies with a fork is haaaaaard.

[kaijyuu]

That's why sporks were invented.

[GlyphGryph]

I have associative agnosia. Unless I'm actively looking to sleep with someone, I don't know what gender they are, and don't really care!

What do you call it when this happens even when you are looking to sleep with someone?

[Jervill]

Then, the first stage of courting is figuring out which gender the other person is, GlyphGryph, just like the dwarves in Discworld.

[kaijyuu]

I have associative agnosia. Unless I'm actively looking to sleep with someone, I don't know what gender they are, and don't really care!

What do you call it when this happens even when you are looking to sleep with someone?

A surprise?

[Agdune]

You see guys? This is why threads get locked, because they turn into sex jokes and discworld references. They have their own threads, people!

[MaximumZero]

I have associative agnosia. Unless I'm actively looking to sleep with someone, I don't know what gender they are, and don't really care!

What do you call it when this happens even when you are looking to sleep with someone?

Bisexuality.

[Domenique]

I see it as this: a man should be something a woman would desire. And that is different from one place to another, but, for example, most of the females I know would want a confident (not overly), emotionally secure guy, who has a sense of humour. I think that a male should strive to be what would make him desirable to females, and I don't think liking some ponies or whatever would really be a big turn-off to a woman if the man still meets her expectations. A little darwinistic point of view, but that's the way I see it.

So a man is masculine if he's acting in such a way to as attract the attention and desire of a woman he desires, right?
I assume feminine is the same - whatever actions would attract the attention and desire of a man they desire?

Yes, I may be not right but that's the way I see it. I think that sexually our roles are to find a decent mate and that's why we should try to be as attractive to the other sex as possible, that's what brings out the masculinity and femininity, it may be different in different cultures, but I think that is what defines it, it may sound like conformism, because it is, as I don't see adapting to your surroundings a bad thing.

[GlyphGryph]

So if speaking with a lisp and wearing frilly pink clothing and crying a lot at sappy movies successfully attracts the sort of women a guy wants, then he's being incredibly manly?

You know, that's a definition I can live with.

[Alastar]

Yes.

Some gender-specific clothing conventions make sense (broad shoulders, narrow hips aren't shown off well in a dress), others don't (tights and stockings would on average be more flattering on men, showing off muscle definition). Don't think there's anything about frills or the colour pink that makes them unsuitable for men.

[Domenique]

Yes.

Some gender-specific clothing conventions make sense (broad shoulders, narrow hips aren't shown off well in a dress), others don't (tights and stockings would on average be more flattering on men, showing off muscle definition). Don't think there's anything about frills or the colour pink that makes them unsuitable for men.

Acutally, where I live wearing pink is ok and you're not considered a douche for it, though personally I just prefer more formal clothing.

[penguinofhonor]

Some gender-specific clothing conventions make sense (broad shoulders, narrow hips aren't shown off well in a dress)

I wouldn't be so sure about this. I feel like someone could design a man-dress, but currently all dresses are designed for women. If one was designed for a man, it would look good on a man. A dress that is designed to exemplify a girlish figure is going to look good on one, and the same goes for a man's figure.

I mean, men's and women's pants and shirts are cut differently. Why couldn't men's and women's dresses be too?

[lorb]

Just throwing in this: gender vs sex.

And pointing out that usually we do not now the sex of any person we meet. We just assign think that sex and gender are the same in most cases and assign the gender by certain cultural markers. (eg: a skirt is a female marker) Really, gender is just made up by society.

[Domenique]

Just throwing in this: gender vs sex.

And pointing out that usually we do not now the sex of any person we meet. We just assign think that sex and gender are the same in most cases and assign the gender by certain cultural markers. (eg: a skirt is a female marker) Really, gender is just made up by society.

And we live in that society, so it makes sense to abide it. A lot of things are made up by society and it doesn't mean it's a bad thing.