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[Duuvian]

What, no, exercise and stuff. Just actually hit things with sticks instead of swinging them around in the air.

I'm not liable for anyone you kill this way.

Hehe.

I killed many a bush when I was a kid.

Also, what do you people not get that I did this in the privacy of my own home after school when I had nothing to do with no goal in mind other then to have something to do when I was a really young person? Also, yes a glaive-shaped farm tool is pretty much a glaive if you were to hit someone with it. This was one from probably the 1940's or 50's, it wasn't made for sawing, it was made for chopping directly through saplings and small diameter brush and such like an axe but specially designed for the purpose.



It was sort of like the middle one, except about half as long, wider, single edged, and both edges were straight so it was almost a square blade and there was a spike at a 90 degree angle off the tip for some reason, probably to function as a hook to pull branches down.

Also just to continue the conversation I lost that weight I mentioned when I was 18 so no worries there ladies.

[Askot Bokbondeler]

i've played and still play with sticks too, its hella fun. by sticks i mean all kinds of sticks from brooms to fluorescent lamps. i still have a scar on my chest from a very sharp stick that pierced my cardboard shield when i was ~10 and stupid(er). i don't go about claiming proficiency with pole arms
e: also, i didn't just brutalize bushes and vegetation, i used to hit actual moving people trying to hit me back

Ah. I suppose paying or being forced to learn antiquated techniques is better then.

i'm the greatest hater of far eastern martial arts you'll ever find, but even i recognise that even an antiquated technique developed by a few generatons of cavemen through trial and error would be better than anything any one person short of a MA virtuoso could self teach himself from scratch, let alone the techniques developed over hundreds, maybe thousands of years by actual fighters

[Duuvian]

i've played and still play with sticks too, its hella fun. by sticks i mean all kinds of sticks from brooms to fluorescent lamps. i still have a scar on my chest from a very sharp stick that pierced my cardboard shield when i was ~10 and stupid(er). i don't go about claiming proficiency with pole arms

Ah. I suppose paying or being forced to learn antiquated techniques is better then.

i'm the greatest hater of far eastern martial arts you'll ever find, but even i recognise that even an antiquated technique developed by a few generatons of cavemen through trial and error would be better than anything any one person short of a MA virtuoso could self teach himself from scratch, let alone the techniques developed over hundreds, maybe thousands of years by actual fighters

Ok. I didn't say what level of proficiency. I never claimed to be a master. Why can't I use it in DF terms and have it be better than novice but not great maybe around average as far as whatever the scales are go? It sounds like you are the same as what I would consider proficient. Also I meant sensible way to spend one's money in the second quote. Antiquated was a poor choice of words, maybe obsolete outside of a distance of say 30 feet would have been better. Other than that this is getting silly.

[scriver]

i'm the greatest hater of far eastern martial arts you'll ever find

may I ask why?

I'm pretty certain he dislikes the "Eastern Marital Arts is Just Better" line of thought that is so common today, rather than the styles or weapons themselves.

[Patchouli]

i'm the greatest hater of far eastern martial arts you'll ever find

may I ask why?

I'm pretty certain he dislikes the "Eastern Marital Arts is Just Better" line of thought that is so common today, rather than the styles or weapons themselves.

Where I'm at, I've seen it flipped around for the most part, that all Eastern Martial Arts are just generalized to be less useful in a real fight due to a lack of focus on real-life fighting scenarios.

[MaximumZero]

Pray tell how playing by yourself with a farming implement is different than playing by yourself with a naginata other than a slightly different tip and intended purpose?

MZ didn't claim to be self taught

Nope. I'm a second degree black belt in the art of Ninjutsu, I also teach Muay Thai and Savate Kickboxing. I've studied Judo, Iaido and Kendo, Zweihander fighting, some Pankration, various forms of Kickboxing (I just did Savate and Muay Thai long enough to teach them), Aikido and a very little bit of Wushu Gong Qui.  All in all, I've been doing martial arts from around the world (Savate is from fucking France!) for about fifteen years.

[Duuvian]

Pray tell how playing by yourself with a farming implement is different than playing by yourself with a naginata other than a slightly different tip and intended purpose?

MZ didn't claim to be self taught

Nope. I'm a second degree black belt in the art of Ninjutsu, I also teach Muay Thai and Savate Kickboxing. I've studied Judo, Iaido and Kendo, Zweihander fighting, some Pankration, various forms of Kickboxing (I just did Savate and Muay Thai long enough to teach them), Aikido and a very little bit of Wushu Gong Qui.  All in all, I've been doing martial arts from around the world (Savate is from fucking France!) for about fifteen years.

Cool. I'm stuck on a farm and I had some tools for toys. My apologies if I can't match your martial prowess sensei. I can however hold my own against the average man if he isn't holding a firearm which is more than enough for me. For the other times I also have a shotgun that's one if not the most valuable things as far as resale value I own and a shooting range with a skeet thrower to practice with at will and money permitting.

Also not being sarcastic about the cool part. You did what I wanted to do when I was like 9. I don't mean to sound sore about it.

[ToonyMan]

Teach me Zero sensei-sama-dono!

[Lord Dullard]

Pray tell how playing by yourself with a farming implement is different than playing by yourself with a naginata other than a slightly different tip and intended purpose?

MZ didn't claim to be self taught

Nope. I'm a second degree black belt in the art of Ninjutsu, I also teach Muay Thai and Savate Kickboxing. I've studied Judo, Iaido and Kendo, Zweihander fighting, some Pankration, various forms of Kickboxing (I just did Savate and Muay Thai long enough to teach them), Aikido and a very little bit of Wushu Gong Qui.  All in all, I've been doing martial arts from around the world (Savate is from fucking France!) for about fifteen years.

I always wanted to learn Savate. Professional Savate fighters always looking absolutely vicious whenever I've seen them (especially if it's a match with mixed styles, it seems they usually obliterate the other guy).

[Leafsnail]

Seconded. I'd be happy to teach people to use a naginata or kwandao, though. ^_^

Naginatas ended up being thought of as a female weapon, though, right?  I guess we rerailed afterall!  Good on you for defying gender stereotypes MaxZero!

[MaximumZero]

Savate is a form if street fighting, after all.

Also not being sarcastic about the cool part. You did what I wanted to do when I was like 9. I don't mean to sound sore about it.

No harm, no foul, bro. We are all bro here.

Teach me Zero sensei-sama-dono!

Come to Michigan, grasshoppa!

[scriver]

Waitwhat, but I don't? You make me sad, Max. I point my teary doe eyes on you.

Seconded. I'd be happy to teach people to use a naginata or kwandao, though. ^_^

Naginatas ended up being thought of as a female weapon, though, right?  I guess we rerailed afterall!  Good on you for defying gender stereotypes MaxZero!

How come they are considered female?

[kaijyuu]

An oversimplification would be that when the men were out to war or somesuch, the women were expected to protect the home and property. They picked up naginatas because... I'm not quite sure, really, but probably because they're similar to spears (which are easy to make) and require less metal than swords (and Japan was/is very iron deficient).

[Askot Bokbondeler]

Waitwhat, but I don't? You make me sad, Max. I point my teary doe eyes on you.

Seconded. I'd be happy to teach people to use a naginata or kwandao, though. ^_^

Naginatas ended up being thought of as a female weapon, though, right?  I guess we rerailed afterall!  Good on you for defying gender stereotypes MaxZero!

How come they are considered female?

yeah, they so phalic. homosexual, yes, but female? hell no

An oversimplification would be that when the men were out to war or somesuch, the women were expected to protect the home and property. They picked up naginatas because... I'm not quite sure, really, but probably because they're similar to spears (which are easy to make) and require less metal than swords (and Japan was/is very iron deficient).

they also probably evolved, or were even retooled from farming scythes, as was the case with glaives\fauchards\war scythes

[Leafsnail]

An oversimplification would be that when the men were out to war or somesuch, the women were expected to protect the home and property. They picked up naginatas because... I'm not quite sure, really, but probably because they're similar to spears (which are easy to make) and require less metal than swords (and Japan was/is very iron deficient).

Wikipedia suggests that they could keep an enemy at a distance and thus reduce any natural male advantage in terms of strength, height or reach.  Also a blade on the end of a stick seems like an inherently good defensive solution.