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Re: Is America being "conservative" good?
« Reply #120 on: June 11, 2012, 10:11:52 am »

I don't like it either. The frequent "lolamericansaredumb" jokes got old years ago, and she's still making them. Gives the impression that she really has something against Americans.
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Re: Is America being "conservative" good?
« Reply #121 on: June 11, 2012, 10:13:08 am »

Well of course its stupid, its a comic. ::) THat doesn't mean you can't ever fit anything relevant into it, scriver.

XKCD is also a comic, and it is hardly stupid.
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Re: Is America being "conservative" good?
« Reply #122 on: June 11, 2012, 10:14:02 am »

Though he does have educational blurbs with links at the bottom sometimes.

Anyways, I was under the impression the comic was mostly about how the Denmark folks "see" things - so of course you'd disagree with most of it. It's not supposed to be accurate, it's supposed to represent terrible stereotypes from Denmark. And the fact that they've sort of become their own characters at this point with their actions only vaguely influenced by real events.

Is there some specific bit that was portrayed as actually factual that wasn't?

(Though honestly, yeah, don't take your world knowledge from a comic explicitly representing what people "think" of other countries)

And MSH, there are no "Americans" in the comic, so that doesn't make much sense. There are the two "Americas", but again, they are amalgamations of stereotypes. That's the point - they aren't supposed to be representative of actual Americans. Simply how America as a whole appears to other countries.
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Re: Is America being "conservative" good?
« Reply #123 on: June 11, 2012, 10:14:26 am »

THere was sarcasm before the smiley. I thought that would help more than the /sarc tag.
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Re: Is America being "conservative" good?
« Reply #124 on: June 11, 2012, 10:18:47 am »

THere was sarcasm before the smiley. I thought that would help more than the /sarc tag.

Or the inverted ¿.
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Re: Is America being "conservative" good?
« Reply #125 on: June 11, 2012, 10:21:28 am »

And MSH, there are no "Americans" in the comic, so that doesn't make much sense. There are the two "Americas", but again, they are amalgamations of stereotypes. That's the point - they aren't supposed to be representative of actual Americans. Simply how America as a whole appears to other countries.
I realize that, but it is expressly negative and unoriginal stereotypes every time.

But more importantly, it simply makes me not like reading it, which was what I was originally stating.

THere was sarcasm before the smiley. I thought that would help more than the /sarc tag.

Or the inverted ¿.
The internet really needs a unified sarcasm tag of some sort.
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Re: Is America being "conservative" good?
« Reply #126 on: June 11, 2012, 10:21:56 am »

Wow...I gather someone's not a fan. Because she's Danish, because she's a she, or because she likes to stick a bit too much yaoi jokes in there?

Do you really know me unwell enough to think I would dislike it because the author is a girl or because gays are jokes there are gay jokes in it?

I am disappoint.
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Re: Is America being "conservative" good?
« Reply #127 on: June 11, 2012, 10:33:45 am »

I love my country America for its positive aspects: Freedom, liberty, the constitution, apple pie, etc. I hang a flag outside my house on holidays, I have a troop support bumper sticker, I'm registered in the nra. 
 But I still believe the country is far from perfect, and could still improve. I don't have a lot of faith in either parties due to recent e Lots of people think of copying Europe, but I am thinking a small but efficient and strong government would be best for the USA.
What are your suggestions

I do believe that being conservative is a problem for America. The problem is that there is nothing conservative about "conservatives". In practice, they actually regressives. And they want to regress to the time of absolute authority concentrated in the hands of an elite class of wealthy individuals (this time they are using corporate proxies and the free market religion instead of nobility and the divine right of kings). They want to turn back the tide of liberty and security for the common man and destroy the founding principals of this nation.
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Re: Is America being "conservative" good?
« Reply #128 on: June 11, 2012, 10:34:02 am »

I realize that, but it is expressly negative and unoriginal stereotypes every time.
I'm just wondering if a negative but original stereotype would be better. :P
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Re: Is America being "conservative" good?
« Reply #129 on: June 11, 2012, 10:43:21 am »

Wow...I gather someone's not a fan. Because she's Danish, because she's a she, or because she likes to stick a bit too much yaoi jokes in there?

Do you really know me unwell enough to think I would dislike it because the author is a girl or because gays are jokes there are gay jokes in it?

I am disappoint.
No, I'm just trying to list out any potential reasons why the author would be a particular point of distaste for you. So...the Danish thing then?  :P


And fwiw, it has its education moments. I certainly know more about the history of Gotland then I did before.
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Re: Is America being "conservative" good?
« Reply #130 on: June 11, 2012, 10:45:19 am »

I realize that, but it is expressly negative and unoriginal stereotypes every time.
I'm just wondering if a negative but original stereotype would be better. :P
It it was funny, sure. However, I have not heard an original American stereotype joke in a long, long time, and SATW isn't exactly comedic genius to begin with.
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Re: Is America being "conservative" good?
« Reply #131 on: June 11, 2012, 10:52:01 am »

I realize that, but it is expressly negative and unoriginal stereotypes every time.
I'm just wondering if a negative but original stereotype would be better. :P
It it was funny, sure. However, I have not heard an original American stereotype joke in a long, long time, and SATW isn't exactly comedic genius to begin with.
Well, stereotypes tend to be the same because.....they're stereotypes. It's not like you hear "Hey, as a change, let's stereotype Americans as effeminate, highly-intelligent lovers of nature!" It's the most salient aspects of a group's attributes (often the negative ones) taken to 11.

Now if you were to change "Americans" in the sentence above to "Berkeley students"...that's a standard stereotype. (probably a good thing Vector isn't here to smack me)
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Re: Is America being "conservative" good?
« Reply #132 on: June 11, 2012, 10:54:15 am »

I won't deny that my ever burning despise for the Danish might have something to do with it :P, but really, mostly it's because it's a really stupid comic with the intellectual worth of the fetid, disintegrating matter you generally find under rocks at the bottom of the ocean.

Oh and I doubt you learned anything from it unless it led you to read up on it from an, you know, actually knowledgeable source. Otherwise I suggest you do so at once so you don't walk around thinking her misconceptions are truths.
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Re: Is America being "conservative" good?
« Reply #133 on: June 11, 2012, 10:54:24 am »

I actually get my news from a combination of morning NPR (relatively nonbiased), FOX(for right wing), MSNBC(for left wing), and /pol/ (for fuck everything)
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Re: Is America being "conservative" good?
« Reply #134 on: June 11, 2012, 10:56:20 am »

I realize that, but it is expressly negative and unoriginal stereotypes every time.
I'm just wondering if a negative but original stereotype would be better. :P
It it was funny, sure. However, I have not heard an original American stereotype joke in a long, long time, and SATW isn't exactly comedic genius to begin with.
Well, stereotypes tend to be the same because.....they're stereotypes. It's not like you hear "Hey, as a change, let's stereotype Americans as effeminate, highly-intelligent lovers of nature!" It's the most salient aspects of a group's attributes (often the negative ones) taken to 11.

Now if you were to change "Americans" in the sentence above to "Berkeley students"...that's a standard stereotype. (probably a good thing Vector isn't here to smack me)
Vector might well agree with that statement.

And it's not that you need a new stereotype, exactly, although that can happen if you are clever enough to recognize one. It's all about the execution, and SATW fails at that miserably.
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