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[MetalSlimeHunt]

It's not just ethics. Adult Stem Cells are much more practical.

[Itnetlolor]

Not to be wearing a tin-foil hat or anything here, but:

Knowing the direction mankind often tends to take, especially with the paranoia of global (or at least local) overpopulation and government control (as well as their backers) over what gets released and etc. under such pretense, the ability and practicality of their use (especially when mastered and mass-produced) relatively will become that much more difficult to release, as well as a reason not to get released as a civilian-level treatment and be mocked as snake oil from all angles from the upper class (while at the same time, they partake in said "snake oil" themselves under a different name) if it does somehow get past the shitstorm of red tape in it's path (call me pessimistic, but the odds of success is extremely low). Even if it does get mastered and can also easily be mass-produced, and cuts through all the red tape, we have other problems with it's release once it's out.

Naturally, and probably most predictably, we can always foresee that most-all minorities and those of "other interests" will naturally be denied the treatment, even if it were legally provided (under strict monitoring of government regulations). And just in case they get hostile about it, chances would be likely a grand majority of those that are given the treatment as form of good will will most likely get a placebo, or something much worse, but subtle, as to not draw attention from good people that can make a difference.

Why are the elite and government(s) so easy to paint in a negative light? It's like a paint-by-numbers thing. Anyway, that's my conspiracy-level thought about this. Even if it does come out, it likely won't be for everyone if it does it; and even if they do get it somehow, they won't be getting the real "it".

EDIT:
As for the source of the stem cells; that's a big part of my motivation as to why I would never accept this as a vaccine for any ailment. If millions had to unwillingly sacrifice their lives in order for this to come into light (yes, I'm a bit of a pro-lifer here; and yes, I see this as similar to the Philosopher's Stone in FMA), then I cannot in good conscience take this. Just as well, I'd rather die like a normal human being, and wait for my immune system to crap-out.

[Frumple]

... uh. Last time I checked stem cell research hasn't involved many people unwillingly giving up their lives, much less millions of them. Explain?

[Itnetlolor]

... uh. Last time I checked stem cell research hasn't involved many people unwillingly giving up their lives, much less millions of them. Explain?

Depending on when you think life actually begins, it can range from few thousands (near the 9-month marker, and ended there (or nearly a full-fetus, and killed as soon as born; yes, such monsters actually exist)), to millions upon millions (if your belief is as far back as before the 1st month or a day-1 believer, or least rationally, day-0 believer). Of course, I'd like to end a potential flame war here; but I just wanted to clarify my context.

My belief in that scale, if you're curious, is: As long as it (if can be seen) can be recognized as another human being, it's a human being. Depending on who I'm talking to in that context, it's variable depending on person. Last thing I need is attitude or irrationality from who I talk to about such regards. Feel free to use my belief as a go-around in case you get cornered by a pro-lifer/pro-choicer about any of the issues.

[Mrhappyface]

Well people find it easy to hate the elite due to a mixture of envy, media attention, and the belief that such people should hold a higher moral standard.

[MetalSlimeHunt]

As I mentioned before, Embryonic Stem Cells are now useless and outdated. We can coerce the body into producing stem cells and harvest them now, which is infinitely easier than making due with a limited supply of aborted fetuses that have different genetic codes from the recipient.

And Itnet, you are putting on a tin-foil hat there. That's completely illogical.

[Itnetlolor]

Well, as long as that statement is true, and embryos are no longer valid and used (and especially no longer accepted) for research and whatnot (although that may not stop black market levels), I'm a tad convinced to otherwise think about it if/when the time comes for it to come into action.

I still stand by natural durability however. I'd like to see how long I can last.

[Reudh]

Itnet is not putting on a tin foil hat. I can empathise with pro-life, being one myself (completely free of any religious beliefs, too.)

But yes, like MetalSlimeHunt mentioned, Embryonic stem cells have no place now that we can induce skin stem cells from consenting adults.

If say, I had a degenerative illness and using that method, stem cells were induced to grow from my skin, then there is 0% chance of rejection. Those are MY stem cells, so there's no failure rate there.

More practical, ethical, and a thousand times better in all regards. A species that cannibalises its young is a doomed species.

[Mrhappyface]

Huh. I heard by 2040, stem cell based drugs can provide us with pseudo-immortality. Cheers to the future then.

[lordcooper]

Could we cut out the pro life/choice stuff please?

[Itnetlolor]

Could we cut out the pro life/choice stuff please?

Yeah, I was trying to disarm it as soon as I brought it up. Sorry about that.

[MetalSlimeHunt]

Well, as long as that statement is true, and embryos are no longer valid and used (and especially no longer accepted) for research and whatnot (although that may not stop black market levels), I'm a tad convinced to otherwise think about it if/when the time comes for it to come into action.

There's no black market for obsolete things. There is no advantage conferred by Embryonic Stem Cells that Adult Stem Cells does not either match or exceed. 

I still stand by natural durability however. I'd like to see how long I can last.

If you were really relying on natural durability you'd most likely be dead already, as would your mother from birthing complications. Assuming that didn't kill you, then there would be surviving all the diseases you are now vaccinated against and kept in living conditions contrary to, including trying not to catch the now extinct smallpox. This would of course all take place in abject squalor before your painful death by fatal wisdom teeth impaction at the age of 25.


Humans do not last without assistance.

[Itnetlolor]

Another lesson in context (excuse my rudeness). I'd like to see how long I can go old-school before I need to start getting a little help from more recent modern stuff.

I hate spelling things out.

EDIT:
Anyway, like I mentioned before; the main point, and the more tin-foil hatter than the embryo thing: chances are more likely that if something works, it won't be released. Why? because you profit more from crap, or so elite level logic would point out. Medicals aren't alone; movie and music follow a similar model.

EDIT EDIT:
I give up. Context is an ancient language, it seems.

[Mrhappyface]

So compared to our hunter-scavenger ancestors, we're practically 40k space marines?

[lordcooper]

So compared to our hunter-scavenger ancestors, we're practically 40k space marines?

Weaker, fatter space marines.