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Re: What do you think of the English language?
« Reply #90 on: June 11, 2012, 09:21:25 am »



Yeah the evolution of the language is in process and people defending the OLD style are the ones calling themselves correct all the time. They're just living in the past. ;)
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Re: What do you think of the English language?
« Reply #91 on: June 11, 2012, 09:23:52 am »

If leetspeek actually became common usage, guess what, you'd be stuck with it as the "proper" way to spell things.


'Course there's no way in hell it'll ever become common usage.
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Re: What do you think of the English language?
« Reply #92 on: June 11, 2012, 09:29:05 am »

I dislike English even though I've studied it for 8 years. I don't like how it sounds, especially American English which sounds awful. Native English can sound quite cool though but I hate the way English stresses words.

I also HATE the fact that English is causing smaller languages such as my native language, Finnish, decline. Loan words become more and more common and inventing new Finnish words is becoming more rare.
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Re: What do you think of the English language?
« Reply #93 on: June 11, 2012, 09:52:37 am »

That's nothing new, hoplite, that's how languages works and has always worked. "Loanwords" is a sign of a language thriving and growing, not of decline.
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Re: What do you think of the English language?
« Reply #94 on: June 11, 2012, 09:59:32 am »

Yeah, pretty much what they said. A language major of mine is always going on about how trying to correct people using words "incorrectly" is actually hampering the progress of the language, because, well, if the word starts being used in that way by the majority, then that word suddenly means a different thing doesn't it?

Meaning is assigned by the speaker, not the word. And the internet is doing a lot of shuffling around with it.  :P
I disagree, in part. The lexical inertia of any given word is desirable, just as the ability of a language to mutate over time is. Without the prescriptive approach to language(i.e. how it ought to be used) it would quickly devolve into an innumerable regional dialects, making communication so much harder.
In your example, if every speaker could assign their own meaning to any given word without deference to the commonly accepted one, then we'd end up with people unable to talk to eachother due to endless semantic conflicts.
The insistence on "correct" usage by prescriptive linguists actually helps speakers communicate without having to learn the nuances of your conversation partner's dialect.

However, it is misleading to think that linguists only concern themselves with the above mentioned correctness. The study the descriptive approach(how people actually use a language) is on par with the prescriptive, as that is the source of change.

That change, as you've said, comes about after the majority of speakers starts using any given form, at which point it enters the realm of "correct" language and starts being enforced for the reasons mentioned before.
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Re: What do you think of the English language?
« Reply #95 on: June 11, 2012, 10:05:44 am »

Not to mention constructing words in Finnish is kind of nightmarish compared to English. In English, you generally need one form of the word. In Finnish, you have all those declensions. And the resulting output is unwieldy compared to the loanword (for example, nettipäiväkirja instead of blogi for "blog").

Loanwords typically catch on because they're more efficient, not because of cultural imperialism. This is why certain German and French loanwords and phrases persist in English, like je ne sais quoi and Zeitgeist, which are more efficient (and more encompassing of the gist of the idea) than "that certain I-don't-know-what" and "the spirit of the times".

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Re: What do you think of the English language?
« Reply #96 on: June 11, 2012, 10:29:11 am »

If leetspeek actually became common usage, guess what, you'd be stuck with it as the "proper" way to spell things.


'Course there's no way in hell it'll ever become common usage.
Leetspeak was a passing fad that is very nearly dead right now, and yes, its very nature prevents it from becoming anything but a novelty dialect.
I don't like how it sounds, especially American English which sounds awful.
Wait, back up. How can an entire language sound awful to you?
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Re: What do you think of the English language?
« Reply #97 on: June 11, 2012, 11:18:44 am »

To me, all english sounds like this:

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Re: What do you think of the English language?
« Reply #98 on: June 11, 2012, 11:52:57 am »

Wait, back up. How can an entire language sound awful to you?

Just listen a little to Danish "language" and you will understand.
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Re: What do you think of the English language?
« Reply #99 on: June 11, 2012, 11:56:28 am »

Wait, back up. How can an entire language sound awful to you?

Just listen a little to Danish "language" and you will understand.
Alright, your dislike for the Danish leaking into other threads is somewhat concerning.
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Re: What do you think of the English language?
« Reply #100 on: June 11, 2012, 12:04:53 pm »

If leetspeek actually became common usage, guess what, you'd be stuck with it as the "proper" way to spell things.


'Course there's no way in hell it'll ever become common usage.
Leetspeak was a passing fad that is very nearly dead right now, and yes, its very nature prevents it from becoming anything but a novelty dialect.
I don't like how it sounds, especially American English which sounds awful.
Wait, back up. How can an entire language sound awful to you?
Cantonese. 'Nuff said.
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Re: What do you think of the English language?
« Reply #101 on: June 11, 2012, 12:10:11 pm »

French. 'Nuff said

Too much uvular and nasal make it sound like a headache.
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Re: What do you think of the English language?
« Reply #102 on: June 11, 2012, 12:15:14 pm »

Basically anything with a lot of guttural sounds sounds bad.
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Re: What do you think of the English language?
« Reply #103 on: June 11, 2012, 12:59:36 pm »

French. 'Nuff said

Too much uvular and nasal make it sound like a headache.
If french sounds bad to you, what language sounds good?
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Re: What do you think of the English language?
« Reply #104 on: June 11, 2012, 01:10:49 pm »

Basically anything with a lot of guttural sounds sounds bad.
Can't agree. Gutturals, glottals and plosives rock my world. And clicks. We need more languages with click consonants.
Arabic, German and Russian all have a great "sound" to them. And I like Mandarin, even though to the untrained ear, it sounds like "shi shi shur shi shur shi shao shi".

And yeah, not a fan of the "sound" of the French language. Sounds like someone trying to speak while slurring from being drunk or having a stroke.

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