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[CyberUrist]

What the heck is multigrasping and how does it work? I haven't been on my computer in a while (posting from my 3DS) so I have no idea what it is.

[Yovatsap]

It's when a weapon is too big (or a dwarf is too small) to grasp the weapon with one hand. Thus, forcing the dwarf the hold the weapon using two hands. Resulting in the dwarf being able to hold less items/weapons/tools at one time.

[HiEv]

"Multigrasping" just means holding an item with more than one hand.  Weapons can be "singlegrasp" or "multigrasp", and using a "multigrasp" weapon with only one hand (putting a shield in the other hand, for example) gives you a penalty to hit.

See the Weapons entry in the wiki for details.

[CyberUrist]

Thats it? Oh. I thought it ment using multiple limbs holding one thing at once, i.e. a spider man (with six arms) using four of his arms to grasp a sword or something.

[weenog]

Two arms is multiple limbs.

[CyberUrist]

Two arms is multiple limbs.

Yeah, but I mean more then two.

[simonthedwarf]

This penalty to hit claim is interesting. Source?

[Sutremaine]

Weapons can be "singlegrasp" or "multigrasp", and using a "multigrasp" weapon with only one hand (putting a shield in the other hand, for example) gives you a penalty to hit.

How is this property determined? Do you have any cases of a dwarf wielding a weapon in one hand when its size should force it to hold the weapon in both hands?

[Putnam]

Weapons can be "singlegrasp" or "multigrasp", and using a "multigrasp" weapon with only one hand (putting a shield in the other hand, for example) gives you a penalty to hit.

How is this property determined? Do you have any cases of a dwarf wielding a weapon in one hand when its size should force it to hold the weapon in both hands?

The property is determined by the TWO_HANDED:x tag in the creature files. If the creature has a higher body size than "x", then it will be able to hold it with one hand.

A dwarf could hold a normally two-handed weapon in one hand if he or she is unusually large.

[Sutremaine]

So the multigrasp / singlegrasp part of the tables on the wiki page is just a general guide based on the average size of a dwarf?

Quick edit: A general guide based on the size of the dwarf or other wielder and not a property of the weapon itself?

[Putnam]

It's both. The multigrasping nature of a weapon is based on the size of the creature, and the table on the wiki is based on the average size of a dwarf.

[Sutremaine]

HiEv's post suggests that it's a property of the weapon itself ("Weapons can be "singlegrasp" or "multigrasp", and using a "multigrasp" weapon with only one hand") instead of being a result of the interaction between the weapon's two-handed size and the wielder's body size. I don't think a weapon is inherently singlegrasp or multigrasp, I'm just trying to figure out what s/he thinks.

[HiEv]

This penalty to hit claim is interesting. Source?

I've heard that elsewhere in the forums, but it's also at the wiki entry I posted earlier: Weapons

Using any multigrasp weapon in a single hand (ie. with a shield in the other hand) gives you a disability to hit. Do not equip two-handed swords with a shield, for instance.

I don't know how reliable that info is though.

The wiki also lists which weapons are single- or multigrasp there.  This is apparently based on the TWO_HANDED and MINIMUM_SIZE sizes listed for the weapon in the raws plus the average dwarf sizes.  Dwarves that are above the MINIMUM_SIZE but below the TWO_HANDED size must use the weapon two-handed.  Any dwarves above the TWO_HANDED size can use the weapon one handed.  If most dwarves have to use the item two handed, then it's listed as "multigrasp".  (And, just to point out the obvious, dwarves below the MINIMUM_SIZE can't use the weapon at all.)

So, really, whether an item is single- or multigrasp technically depends on the weapon and the dwarf attempting to wield it, though the listing in the wiki will usually be right (see the "Size" section in that wiki entry for odds).

[Alastar]

The weapon entries in the RAWs have no single/multigrasp entry, only size limits to use and size limits to use one-handed. The Wiki is rather misleading there.

That said, I think a such a distinction would make a lot of sense. In weapons that would be grasped with hands wide apart, the available attacks change considerably. A spear for example might have...

[ATTACK:EDGE:20:10000:stab:stabs:NO_SUB:1000]
[ATTACK:BLUNT:10000:6000:bash:bashes:shaft:1250]
[ATTACK2H:EDGE:20:10000:stab:stabs:NO_SUB:1000]
[ATTACK2H:EDGE:500:500:strike:strikes:NO_SUB:2000]
[ATTACK2H:BLUNT:10000:6000:bash:bashes:shaft:2000]

to account for staff-like techniques when wielded with two hands.

[Putnam]

I do like the idea of limiting certain attacks if only one hand is used.