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Author Topic: Cybrid 5:The Tunnels Of Mars-Game End: Rebel Vittry (Plus Survivor plus scum)  (Read 59161 times)

Urist Imiknorris

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Re: Cybrid 5: The Tunnels of Mars - Day 2: And it's a long, long way down.
« Reply #195 on: June 17, 2012, 12:06:31 pm »

That was not an excuse. I did not write it with any motive, ulterior or not to be an excuse.
Then what did you write it as? If it's not an excuse, what is it?

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Technically, that may be an OMGUS where you see it because the reasoning is against your own, but I did back it up with what I believe and from my viewpoint, isn't as the vote wasn't solely based on the vote itself.
No, I see it as an OMGUS because when you voted me your sole reasoning was that my case against you sucked, and voting someone because of that is an overreaction. Really, your reactions are more incriminating than my original case (partly because my original case isn't very incriminating at all).

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That you continued the case on me being Cybrid by giving your explanation to Hapah without waiting for my reply on my own defense.
But that's unrelated. My theory doesn't incriminate you - it's me trying to figure out why Toony would attack you but kamikaze Book. You seem to think it's evidence for some reason.

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Aren't Rebels also scum as Cybrids? Where I saw it, Toony didn't know anyone, including other Rebels.
Rebels are a secondary concern. The Cybrids are more dangerous.

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I'm not implying anything there, I'm just seeing it from where the prosecution was standing. Where I see it, you were scumhunting me with reasons I didn't understand until now: in your first post in the second day. You were fervent on the belief that I was a cybrid, and also based part of that on what you thought Toony would see it as.
Except you aren't seeing it from where I'm standing, because I don't know you're scum. Allow me to explain:

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And I would truly love to point out this, how he disregards everything I've said and make it seem that I'm on the defensive.
But you are. You have been all day. You're caving in to pressure, and I'm not going to be letting up.

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Only newbies straight up OMGUS people in m honest view, i.e., a vote solely in response to a vote. More experienced players usually find reasons to vote the player voting them, and even though it's technically an OMGUS, it doesn't matter for shit, since players can find excellent and even telling reasons for their vote in response to the vote of another. It's not an OMGUS if there are good reasons behind it, and this I know from re-reading elder threads. Ones that did show the difference between terminology.
a) WIFOM.
b) WIFOM.
c) But you don't have good reasons. Your case consists of not liking my case.

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Toony is a Rebel. Seeing it from a Rebel's viewpoint, his threats are spread out equally at Day 1. Nobody dead. Cybrid or Imperial are threats to him in equal measure.
Not really - if they have a convert, the cybrids get stronger as the game goes on. It would be better to nip that problem in the bud first, yes?

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Also, I've noted you [UI] say that if a cybrid dies at day 1, Imperials win. Why so?
Because traditionally, Imperials have a numbers advantage, and the existence of a martyr is not guaranteed.

Questions for you:
1. Why are you prioritizing rebels over cybrids?
2. Who do you think is most likely to be cybrid?
3. Why do you think I'm not cybrid?

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Here, he tries to affirm a disjunction that has already disproven itself by his [Toony's] action on Bookthras.
No it hasn't, see my response to ZU. I let the evidence inform my conclusions, not the other way around.

Actually, that thing you said to Hapah was speculation on a death, perhaps the reason that led to all this talk on it and where I see it, speculating on people's deaths without clear reason on 'why' is a tell for WIFOM. You cannot connect if he didn't explain.
If you're asking why I'm speculating on Toony's choice of target, it started out as me being bored, then continued by people asking me about it.

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UI: If Toony didn't want Tiruin to die, why was he voting for Tiruin? And why are you speculating so much on this?
He was a Martyr - a rebel killing role. His continued existence would forestall any D1 Imperial victory. He could safely go after anyone he suspected to be the cybrid (because the cybrids are dangerous and the main threat), but he couldn't afford to explode them, as that would both cost a rebel and leave the rebels' chance of winning up to the setup (instaloss unless there's another martyr).
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Re: Cybrid 5: The Tunnels of Mars - Day 2: And it's a long, long way down.
« Reply #196 on: June 18, 2012, 12:22:25 pm »

10 hours till day end. Someone do a vote count, I'm busy. :P
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Re: Cybrid 5: The Tunnels of Mars - Day 2: And it's a long, long way down.
« Reply #197 on: June 18, 2012, 12:49:44 pm »

According to the lurker tracker:

Tiruin [3]: Think0028, Toaster, Urist Imiknorris
Urist Imiknorris [1]: Tiruin
zombie urist [1]: Dariush
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Re: Cybrid 5: The Tunnels of Mars - Day 2: And it's a long, long way down.
« Reply #198 on: June 18, 2012, 01:11:01 pm »

That was not an excuse. I did not write it with any motive, ulterior or not to be an excuse.
Then what did you write it as? If it's not an excuse, what is it?
A harmless statement. Hapah said it perfectly.

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Quote from: me, RVS
If <A>, then <B>.
Quote from: you, earlier today
Then where's <B>?

A= I know you're scum
B= I build a case with evidence before attacking

Do you see how you slipped? You assumed <A> to be true. You didn't account for the fact that <A> is false for me - I won't know your alignment until you flip.
I did account it. I accounted it the very moment I saw your first post of this day.

That post was made up of BS - from where I saw it pre-explanation, and one which I don't think a townie would do, out-of-the-blue.

And I'm guessing you're accounting the fact that you aren't scum.



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c) But you don't have good reasons. Your case consists of not liking my case.
Doesn't look like good reasons to you, obviously. Not liking your case, yes, but as the first thing that came out was an action against something that wasn't even made to be anything, i.e. that excuse. At that point, a difference in understandings came until you clarified it later on. Faulty accusing was also present: That OMGUS. Like I stated, I vote people who I find scummy, not under the shadow of U Suck.


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Questions for you:
1. Why are you prioritizing rebels over cybrids?
2. Who do you think is most likely to be cybrid?
3. Why do you think I'm not cybrid?
1. Not prioritizing, I'm just happy with getting any threat to the Imperium I can find. Are you bothered by that and why?
2. Not a good enough read on anyone as of late, as I guess the whole day 2 was built on our argument.
3. Your statements with Toony in it and how the tone worked itself. A hunch.

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zombie urist:
UI: If Toony didn't want Tiruin to die, why was he voting for Tiruin? And why are you speculating so much on this?
He was a Martyr - a rebel killing role. His continued existence would forestall any D1 Imperial victory. He could safely go after anyone he suspected to be the cybrid (because the cybrids are dangerous and the main threat), but he couldn't afford to explode them, as that would both cost a rebel and leave the rebels' chance of winning up to the setup (instaloss unless there's another martyr).
You missed the second question, and forgot the fact that Imperials also pose another threat. Vigilantes.
Persuaders/zealots can forestall the second condition in the wincon: Numerical advantage.

6 imps, 5 rebs.

Thinking it this way:
Assuming -1 on both sides for symmetry and distribution.

Your point (martyr takes out cybrid):
5 imps vs 3 rebs, 1 cybrid left.

Seeing the OP: Imperials have a vig, pro-imp cultist, cop who reports to the Commander (in addition to him).

Rebels have a roleblocker, pro-reb cultist, cop, bomb and pseudo-commander communications expert/hacker.

Now assuming only one bomb was in place, that would leave the rest up to the setup, not including any vanilla roles and wildcards. And in your speculation, which is not related to my case, you state that he suspects to be cybrid - i.e. his lynchee. He also went into full speed in his case against me (though not fun for both sides) leaving the question: Why didn't he blow up his intended target?

Now that [statement] is countered by the 'fact' that you say he couldn't afford to explode his suspect - explicitly and questionably a cybrid (unknown factor and based on hypothesis which can only be found upon my lynch, which you really want to get on) - due to the set-up above, which is also somehow an instaloss and leaning on out-thinking the GM if anything unexpected popped up, based on a hell lot of variables. Toony didn't know anything of such and acted like a townie (in the way which he knows no other role) and ended up blowing up the commanding officer of the rebellion. The Imperials also have the advantage of communication relay between two people (mason commander and officer)

Taking that into account:

5 ; 4

3 imps, 2 rebs and 2 cybrids.

tl;dr, why did you attempt WIFOM due to boredom?



What makes a cybrid different from an imperial by blind action (seeing it from Toony's eyes)? Why is it an instaloss situation for Toony [Rebels in whole]? What makes cybrids so dangerous?

Hapah: Your post? Where are your questions that you said you'd give?

Why aren't you voting anyone?

10 hours till day end. Someone do a vote count, I'm busy. :P
Votecount:
3 on me - UI, Think, Toaster
1 on ZU - Dariush
1 on UI - Me
...I forget the rest and am too tired to do that. :I

And could there be flavor for borno's flip?
Thanks UI and Think's tracker.
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Re: Cybrid 5: The Tunnels of Mars - Day 2: And it's a long, long way down.
« Reply #199 on: June 18, 2012, 01:33:59 pm »

...It's amazing how everyone is so focused on Tiruin's and UI's shit-flinging contest that they don't notice the scumball that is ZU. Goddammit, people, look at what he did the entire D2. Weak deflection of my accusations, a couple of noncommital questions and a whole load of NOTHING. He didn't even vote. And that's in addition to his bandwagon on D1.

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Re: Cybrid 5: The Tunnels of Mars - Day 2: And it's a long, long way down.
« Reply #200 on: June 18, 2012, 01:48:17 pm »

Lurker Tracker doesn't lie so...

ZU: You're lurking for more than 3 days, who are your top scumpicks and why do you lurk?
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Re: Cybrid 5: The Tunnels of Mars - Day 2: And it's a long, long way down.
« Reply #201 on: June 18, 2012, 02:24:48 pm »

WHAT. WHAAAAAT. Answering what is asked is scummy?... Just... just WHAT.
That's not what I meant. When "I'm not confident" is a better answer to a question he says that and when "I am confident" is better he says that.
I sure would like to hear how different people would be appeased by contradictory statements about his own confidence.
Well, I doubt he was planning on people noticing these contradictions.
zombie urist: I cannot help but notice that you're neither voting nor attacking anyone. Who do you suspect and why aren't you doing anything about them?
Lurker Tracker doesn't lie so...
ZU: You're lurking for more than 3 days, who are your top scumpicks and why do you lurk?
I was attending graduation activities on Friday and through the weekend.  I suspect Dariush and UI of being imperial, Hapah and Toasters are rebels, Tiruin and Think are cybrid.

I haven't acted on any of this because I'm a survivor and don't really care who dies (as long as its not me). I'm still not sure of the numbers, but I think the rebels need to lynch an imperial today. Therefore,Dariush.
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Re: Cybrid 5: The Tunnels of Mars - Day 2: And it's a long, long way down.
« Reply #202 on: June 18, 2012, 02:29:34 pm »

I haven't acted on any of this because I'm a survivor and don't really care who dies (as long as its not me). I'm still not sure of the numbers, but I think the rebels need to lynch an imperial today. Therefore,Dariush.
Who the what in the rebel now?

Also, excuse for lurking = survivor who doesn't care?

And...you're voting Dariush because...how/what?
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Re: Cybrid 5: The Tunnels of Mars - Day 2: And it's a long, long way down.
« Reply #203 on: June 18, 2012, 02:32:54 pm »

No I was lurking because I was doing graduation stuff.

I'm hoping all the other rebels will join me in lynching the Dariush, who is imperial, because this is probably their last chance to do so.
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Re: Cybrid 5: The Tunnels of Mars - Day 2: And it's a long, long way down.
« Reply #204 on: June 18, 2012, 02:35:38 pm »

No, I mean about your concluding Dariush's role. You sound confirmed there.

Why would you want to vote Dariush for being...the Dariush?
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Re: Cybrid 5: The Tunnels of Mars - Day 2: And it's a long, long way down.
« Reply #205 on: June 18, 2012, 02:40:58 pm »

Dariush so far doesn't look cybrid nor rebel, so I'm assuming he's imperial. I'm voting Dariush in hopes the other rebels will bandwagon and lynch him. 
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Re: Cybrid 5: The Tunnels of Mars - Day 2: And it's a long, long way down.
« Reply #206 on: June 18, 2012, 02:42:38 pm »

I'm hoping all the other rebels will join me in lynching the Dariush, who is imperial, because this is probably their last chance to do so.
Other rebels?

Why claim now? Why not keep up the charade, especially with the cybrids still extant?
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Re: Cybrid 5: The Tunnels of Mars - Day 2: And it's a long, long way down.
« Reply #207 on: June 18, 2012, 02:44:18 pm »

Dariush so far doesn't look cybrid nor rebel, so I'm assuming he's imperial. I'm voting Dariush in hopes the other rebels will bandwagon and lynch him.
Won't that make them...lose in the long run?

Reasons on your suspicions for everyone, please.

What made you claim in the first place and why aren't you interested in a cybrid lynch?
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Re: Cybrid 5: The Tunnels of Mars - Day 2: And it's a long, long way down.
« Reply #208 on: June 18, 2012, 03:27:47 pm »

Extend since I don't think I'll be awake when current day would end.
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Re: Cybrid 5: The Tunnels of Mars - Day 2: And it's a long, long way down.
« Reply #209 on: June 18, 2012, 04:18:05 pm »

I'm hoping all the other rebels will join me in lynching the Dariush, who is imperial, because this is probably their last chance to do so.
Other rebels?
Why claim now? Why not keep up the charade, especially with the cybrids still extant?
I'm claiming now because now looks like a good time to claim. What charade?

Dariush so far doesn't look cybrid nor rebel, so I'm assuming he's imperial. I'm voting Dariush in hopes the other rebels will bandwagon and lynch him.
Won't that make them...lose in the long run?
Reasons on your suspicions for everyone, please.
What made you claim in the first place and why aren't you interested in a cybrid lynch?
No?...
UI and Dariush are pretty clean, so I'm leaning Imperial.
Hapah and Toaster have this strange semi-buddying thing going. Hapah made some pretty useless active-lurky posts so I'm saying rebel.
Tiruin is cybrid for all the reasons UI said earlier, I'm not going to bother repeating them. I'm least sure about Think0028. I've really only have a gut feeling on him.

Currently, I don't think a cybrid lynch would help advance my win condition.
 
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