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[Urist Imiknorris]

Dariush:

Your logic goes 'Toony suspected Tiruin is Cybrid so he didn't explode him because that would make his team lose'.

I altered your quote to correct the one part of my reasoning that you got wrong. I'm going to quote my response to Tiruin asking basically the same thing as you:

As Hapah said, Toony was mostly focused on [Tiruin]. [He was] his main suspect, and as such, [he was] probably the person he believed to be the cybrid. Exploding [him] would be stupid in case he was right.

Now why didn't you read that?

[Dariush]

Damn, that makes sense. I derped. Back to ZU.

[zombie urist]

UI: If Toony didn't want Tiruin to die, why was he voting for Tiruin? And why are you speculating so much on this?

I voted for Borno because he seemed to be trying to appease everyone. Examples of such are the contradictory messages and the vote switching.

Contradictory messages about his own confidence are an example of trying to appease everyone?

Obviously he can't be confident and not confident at the same time. He wasn't answering the question based on how he felt, he answered based on what other people were asking. When I pointed this out, he made some BS excuse that he was kinda confident, but not too sure of himself.

...

What does this have to do with anything?

[Hapah]

ZU: Because I stated I was going to go back and re-read the posts of the dead, to see if I could get any new information out of them. Obol was MIA, all borno seemed to do was fidget under pressure and take the easy lynch, and I put up what I thought of the other two.

Toaster: You want to weigh in? You haven't said a word since everything went straight to hell.

I think Toony sincerely wanted Tir dead. Toony's explosion attack was probably just a knee-jerk reaction to Book putting the noose 'round his neck with almost no time left in the day. A sentence or two from Toony before he blew up could have given us a lot more insight into why he did what he did, but it's sadly not the case (if there are any more martyrs out there, or if you're reading this to get ready for Cybrid VI, take note).

[Toaster]

Think:

So we're down 2 Imperials and 2 Rebels now, right? Book and Toony the rebels, and borno and obolisk the imperials. So we have 7 people alive. If the cybrid converted successfully, and they have a second conversion (the first is unknown, the second quite possible), we could be looking at MYLO.

Given that, what's your opinion of a no-lynch?


Hapah:  I hadn't had a chance to post until now.

So...

obol was MIA for most of the game. Not much information there. I guess he was probablyy killed because nobody would protect a guy who isn't even here?

borno didn't have much information; it seems he was pressed for time, maybe? It also looks like maybe he didn't respond so well to pressure; he fidgeted in the spotlight

Toony was mostly focused on Tiruin, but apparently didn't suspect him enough to use his explodey-boom on him. Their argument did seem kinda dumb.

Book suspected Toaster and myself, primarily.

Do you have a conclusion to draw from this, or are you just talking to make it look like you're hunting?


Tiruin:  I've read your case a couple times, and as far as I can tell, you're voting UI because you didn't like the way he voted you.   That seems awfully wordy for such a slender case- do you have anything else on him?

[Hapah]

Toaster: Neither. I promised a post after reading their posts, and so I gave the promised post even though I couldn't come to a conclusion.

[GlyphGryph]

Game will not, in fact, be ending in 24 hours. I've got a GWAR concert to go to. Since people get pissed of for some reason when I end on Saturdays, game ends Monday evening, EST.

[Toaster]

Hapah:  So who do you suspect and why?

Game will not, in fact, be ending in 24 hours. I've got a GWAR concert to go to.

Be sure to wear something washable.

[Hapah]

Toaster: Well, now instead of Toony and Tir bashing each other, it's UI and Tir. Very aggressive attacks by UI with very questionable evidence, and Tir got combative (again). I think UI's scumhunting strategy is "hit them with everything and the kitchen sink" until they crack, so that's not so unusual. I don't think that UI a cybrid, based on his actions. Something about Tir doesn't sit right with me, but it might just be because he's making a lot of noise and I haven't had much time to sit down and digest information.

Think's last post definitely got my attention, but I want to give him a chance to respond before I make up my mind one way or the other. Other than that, I don't have much of a read on him.

I still don't think Dar is a cybrid, based on the results of my D1 actions.

ZU's actions seem sincere, and I can understand his lynch on borno, even if I don't agree with it. borno didn't respond well to questions when under pressure.

And Toaster, I'm a little surprised by your actions: I really expected you to try to tease every little bit of information out of the four deaths and post your thoughts. It's entirely possible you just haven't gotten around to it yet, though (it's a bit of a read, and it looks like you've had non-Mafia obligations to tend to).

So, my primary suspects are Tir, Think, and (to a lesser extent) yourself. The Urists both appear to be acting normally, and Dar hasn't done anything to change my opinion that he isn't a cybrid. As for who is Imp and who is Reb, I don't know. At this point, I don't particularly care: We really need to get a cybrid out of the picture with the lynch today.

[Think0028]

Hapah: I was under the impression that Cybrids always started off with one Cybrid who had a conversion of some sort. That was definitely true in the last game GlyphGryph ran, and I had assumed it was standard. Is it not?

Tiruin: What I understand from it is three players getting tangled up in each other and spawning escalating walls of text wars. I find very little illuminating about it, as it illustrates your personalities to me more than your actual roles here in the game. I believe all three of you would have jumped into the debate with great verve even if you were all confirmed town masons.

And how the hell does saying you have a gut feeling borno was a bad lynch mean you weren't thinking borno is a bad lynch? You've been twisting words all game to get very specific interpretations, and I am not liking it.

Toaster: Hrrrrrm. This is one of those situations I hate the most, as it's one of those things where there's a very correct answer but it's very hard to determine. If we lynched a cybrid today, that would be a load of pressure off of our backs, but with the risk that if we miss, we're very likely screwed. That said, if we don't lynch anyone today, we could potentially be even worse off tomorrow if they gain a conversion or a kill, at which point we are in deep doo-doo indeed.

If it was up to me, and I had to choose between lynching and not lynching... I wouldn't do it.

[Tiruin]

Think

And how the hell does saying you have a gut feeling borno was a bad lynch mean you weren't thinking borno is a bad lynch? You've been twisting words all game to get very specific interpretations, and I am not liking it.

I did have a gut feeling, but caution won over it and thus led to my decision to vote him, even if it may have been redundant. Gut Feeling screamed mislynch, and what I know is that even if the end result is a mislynch, at least it gives information on a particularly scummy character.

And I haven't been twisting words at all, just stating what I know.

Hapah: I was under the impression that Cybrids always started off with one Cybrid who had a conversion of some sort. That was definitely true in the last game GlyphGryph ran, and I had assumed it was standard. Is it not?

Do you mean the one where I was a parasite? I don't think that was definitely true, as I had a choice between converter roles, and a hunter//killer//goad all-in-one pack. Not all C.R.I.M games had converts as the standard cybrid, like the first.


Hapah: If you can, why not just directly ask me what you want clarified other than blindly guessing. I have nothing to hide, and if you think all I spout is noise, I'd be happy to fix that.

As for who is Imp and who is Reb, I don't know. At this point, I don't particularly care: We really need to get a cybrid out of the picture with the lynch today.

So you give out what you think, and don't try to question others at that point when priorities present themselves? Leaving questions to be answered in addition to inferences would help.
Toaster

Tiruin:  I've read your case a couple times, and as far as I can tell, you're voting UI because you didn't like the way he voted you.   That seems awfully wordy for such a slender case- do you have anything else on him?

Not so, because mostly, I saw his case against me as half-test and half-seriousness. What he states is ludicrous in my opinion. And I do, right down below.

UI

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

HELLO SCUM YOU ARE VERY DEFENSIVE TODAY I WOULD LIKE TO LYNCH YOU PLEASE

Lurking =/= working, unless you think RL is a whole mafia game. I wonder how I can lurk for the later periods of the day when all my cognitive functions cannot respond in a place that doesn't allow internet connection? The local time for then was:

« Reply #74 on: June 06, 2012, 11:55:24 pm »

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« Reply #75 on: June 07, 2012, 12:03:20 am »

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GMT +8: Add 14 hours = ~2pm
If you expect me to make a post at that time after finishing part of medical work, then put in the notion of my reply to Think because I'm done arguing over that crap. If you want to delve into my personal life, feel free to do it. Just not on the bounds of Mafia.

That's not what I meant AT ALL. I meant that you were excusing your lack of prior posting far too early for it to be reasonable to do so. How the hell would the excuse you gave do anything to cover future lurking?

OMGUS? No: a vote solely in response to being voted on is what defines an OMGUS.

No. An OMGUS is pressuring someone for the sole reason that they are pressuring you.

I'm not stupid to do such, but if I do vote on a person who has a vote on me, know that I put reasons behind that vote.

*looks at where you voted me* Then what is that shit.

Nice OMGUS btw.

While it may be look like bad reasons in your eyes, they were good reasons in my view. What do you see wrong and why did you call it an OMGUS?

What I see wrong is that it's a terrible reaction test: What reactions were you looking for? Second, "pressure" and "reaction test" are probably the most common excuses for scummy/baseless votes.

Thirdly, I thank you for actually reading my answer, but that is what I would do in "the name of fuck and it's sakes" if I was cybrid. If you have any other way of putting it, then tell me what I did wrong in putting my priorities as one, not point it out and leave it for others to decide from fluff.

NO IT DAMN WELL ISN'T:

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Tiruin: Do you think your experience in the last Cybrid mafia help you this game?

Dying by choosing the only person with an appliance as an avatar, yep. I do.

Wait, which one? The one run by ServantCorps or GlyphGryph?

Anyway, yes. Every mafia game I play earns me experience. The need of asking for votecounts and timecounts from the mod helps in determining when to say if my vote was pressure or not, or when to give it. Or if you meant when I died by Toaster, I'd say this:

I hate you, you weak doctor.

Still, learned much on how to hide identity, scumhunt as scum, scumhunt as town, feel suspicions on others and generally straighten my scum-dar.

So, yes. It would help.

Fourthly, I'm assuming such, pertaining to the Survivor because from what I know, every other cybrid but that has powers. Think didn't mention any powers, so why would I add to what he didn't ask?

So instead of asking for clarification on whether abilities were at all relevant, you simply assumed that when Think said cybrid, he meant not-really-a-cybrid.

Hapah:

Toony was mostly focused on Tiruin, but apparently didn't suspect him enough to use his explodey-boom on him.

Why would he? Killing the cybrid D1 at the cost of a rebel killing role would be very likely to hand the Empire a D1 victory, yes?

Huh?

You only "re-read" now and then you ask Hapah on why wouldn't Toony explode on me without giving your own reasons? Personally, I don't even know why he did so after building that case on me. What I guess from his playstyle, he goes aggressive and doesn't give up until target is lynched.

Also, I can't fathom how you came up with your last sentence. You answered Hapah's general statement with one of your own without letting the defendant...defend himself.

In the simplest way that I thought when reading this: 'Toony knew, and decided to kill the last one who voted him and I knew too.'

As Hapah said, Toony was mostly focused on you. You were his main suspect, and as such, you were probably the person he believed to be the cybrid. Exploding you would be stupid in case he was right. Also, wtf does the part I bolded mean?

If you aren't happy with the truth and my own time and schedule, then why do you only get to this now?

You really are bad at reading what I say, aren't you?

As a matter of fact, why are you leaning on that whole statement for your case?

If this is supposed to mean "why am I using that as my whole case?" I'm not.

Dariush: I make reasonable (imo) guesses and extrapolate from there. Reasonable guess: Toony was sincere in going after Tiruin. Do you see where my explanation comes from now?

I would love to point out that Toony never explicitly stated his suspicion on me being a Cybrid, UI. YOU are the one who is stating such, and spouting it like it was common knowledge. Along with using a dead man's reasoning on why he didn't blow me up to cover your case.

You state that: "An OMGUS is pressuring someone for the sole reason that they are pressuring you.". I already said that I thought of Think's question as an RVS, and it obviously states that an OMGUS is about votes. A vote carries pressure, yes? Did Think vote me, at that time?

That shit you pointed out was your own observation. Restate (and you quote): a vote solely in response to being voted on is what defines an OMGUS. That was a vote, with reasons!

And, defensive? No. I was just very irate at people seeing the obvious and choosing to be stupid instead. Pertaining to your reason of my 'lurking'. Also, it seems trying to be as transparent as possible translates to being defensive. What would you prefer?

I have a bad feeling on you, and how you attack me, including how many quotes you pull without giving your own take on them or how you reason on why they make me scummy. (Quote mining and format on my posts without explanation are repeat offenders).

Also,

Hapah:

UI: Let me clarify. As a Rebel, I'd prefer that the D1 lynch flip Imperial. Cybrid flips are still good, of course, but I'd prefer an Imp flip.

And if a Cybrid does derp it up and confirm that he is, in fact, a cybrid, of course I'd like to lynch him. It's a great lynch for the Imps, and I'd take a near-certain Cybrid lynch over a possible mislynch as a Rebel.

But for a Rebel, a D1 Cybrid lynch wouldn't be good - it would be an almost-certain D1 Imperial win.

Summary: You set your eyes on 'cybrid' instead of scum at large, apparently following the thinking in this post. You also jump from Hapah to borno, and currently on me as if your switchiness isn't a deterrent. Why didn't you press on Hapah?

I meant that you were excusing your lack of prior posting far too early for it to be reasonable to do so. How the hell would the excuse you gave do anything to cover future lurking?

Then you twist my words and give them a biased meaning. What I think is, you want to make it an excuse even when I never even wrote that with the purpose of it being an excuse at all. Just a statement. This whole sentence finishes it. Like I said, despite my (apparent) lack of skills in scumhunting, I always make sure that I'd at least post everytime I go online.

Lastly, you state that I'm bad at reading what you say. But you return my line of thought with vague quotes and the lack of your own reasoning. All I see is:
>Excuse for posting, derived from one statement.
>OMGUS!
>Using Toony's death as a reason.

Hapah:

Seriously though. What was your biggest takeaway from the Roguelike?

When I know someone's scum, I should build an actual case on them before going on the offensive.

So hit me with your actual case, other than wasting time in the day!

You don't seem like a cybrid to me, but another type of scum.

[zombie urist]

If it was up to me, and I had to choose between lynching and not lynching... I wouldn't do it.

Wouldn't lynch or wouldn't not lynch?

You don't seem like a cybrid to me, but another type of scum.

What other type of scum is there?

I still don't think Dar is a cybrid, based on the results of my D1 actions.

Wait what D1 action?

[Hapah]

ZU: My painting a giant bullseye on myself D1 to see if anyone would take a serious shot at me. Because both Dar and Toony were tied with 2 votes, my thinking went that if one of them was cybrid, their cybrid-buddy (I assumed 2 starting cybrids) would build a strong case on me to try to get the pressure off their teammate. That never happened, and so I suspected that neither Dar or Toony were Cybrids.

Think: I don't think so. At least, it doesn't mention anywhere in the rules that Cybrid will always have conversion roles, but it does explicitly state that Imps and Rebs will always have a commander. So I don't think it's guaranteed, no.

Tir: Finding time for even these shorts posts is hard this week, though I'm happy I'll have a weekend to work with now.

[Urist Imiknorris]

Breaking this post up into multiple posts for ease of reference. It's basically all directed at Tiruin. Read it all anyway.

Tiruin:  I've read your case a couple times, and as far as I can tell, you're voting UI because you didn't like the way he voted you.   That seems awfully wordy for such a slender case- do you have anything else on him?

Not so, because mostly, I saw his case against me as half-test and half-seriousness. What he states is ludicrous in my opinion. And I do, right down below.

But you didn't when you voted me?

[Urist Imiknorris]

Regarding Lurking (and excuses thereof):

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And, defensive? No. I was just very irate at people seeing the obvious and choosing to be stupid instead. Pertaining to your reason of my 'lurking'.

I never said you were lurking. I said you made an excuse for it before the game had gone on long enough for lurking to even be a thing.

Like I said, despite my (apparent) lack of skills in scumhunting, I always make sure that I'd at least post everytime I go online.

Where did you say this?

Lastly, you state that I'm bad at reading what you say. But you return my line of thought with vague quotes and the lack of your own reasoning. All I see is:
>Excuse for posting, derived from one statement.

Actually, as proof of my terrible contradiction-detecting skills, this is now derived from two statements, your first one and this:

« Reply #74 on: June 06, 2012, 11:55:24 pm »

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« Reply #75 on: June 07, 2012, 12:03:20 am »

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GMT +8: Add 14 hours = ~2pm
If you expect me to make a post at that time after finishing part of medical work, then put in the notion of my reply to Think because I'm done arguing over that crap. If you want to delve into my personal life, feel free to do it. Just not on the bounds of Mafia.

Your first excuse was that you missed the thread in your new replies (if that's what you meant by newbox [and if not, what did you mean?]). You appear to have changed your story, because as far as I can tell, time zones and medical work have no effect on missing the thread in your new replies (unless anesthesia was involved, but I get the impression you're talking about classwork).