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I like the Slap Graphics and how I can pick out any pack that is supported

I like the Settings, change aspects of the mod at will

I like the Tileset Changer

Slap Graphics could use some more work

Not enough settings (if so, what?)

Tileset changer has some flaws (suggestions)

[Hugo_The_Dwarf]

How well do guns work in Dwarf mode/ how fast do they fire? Im thinking of making some gun making tools for adventure mode after i finish the armor part.

Right now they shoot as fast as a Dwarf gets a turn, idk if the next version will allow faster firing (through the attack/movement split) or dual firing (two pistols)
Guns are a mix of gunpowder and modern percussion cap ammunition (hammer strikes percussion cap, ignites gunpowder, fires bullet and discards shell casing)
Since you are making tools I'll be able to use them too, I was thinking:
-Stock
-Barrel
-Hammer
-Cartridge chamber
-Bolt
-Trigger

In my mind i'm combining the Barrel, Muzzle, and Sight into one. The Bolt and it's handle as one, etc.
So basically until we know how ranged weapons act in the new version all firearms are bolt action in a sense.

[Toxicshadow]

Working on a remake of the Slap Chop commercial for your Slap Graphics; going to be good

[Sanure]

How well do guns work in Dwarf mode/ how fast do they fire? Im thinking of making some gun making tools for adventure mode after i finish the armor part.

Right now they shoot as fast as a Dwarf gets a turn, idk if the next version will allow faster firing (through the attack/movement split) or dual firing (two pistols)
Guns are a mix of gunpowder and modern percussion cap ammunition (hammer strikes percussion cap, ignites gunpowder, fires bullet and discards shell casing)
Since you are making tools I'll be able to use them too, I was thinking:
-Stock
-Barrel
-Hammer
-Cartridge chamber
-Bolt
-Trigger

In my mind i'm combining the Barrel, Muzzle, and Sight into one. The Bolt and it's handle as one, etc.
So basically until we know how ranged weapons act in the new version all firearms are bolt action in a sense.

Cool. as soon as i get finished with the armor reactions (will include resizing the armor you find) ill begin working on gun making and weapons.

[Hugo_The_Dwarf]

Alright so I've gotten to a point with Slap Graphics in which it does roughly what I want it to do (And fixed alot of oddities with Iron Hand, not all of them tho still random ass tiles wandering about) but now I'm currently working on some Alchemy right now, I've made up 3 buildings (well 2, the third was the current alchemy shop) in which each one will serve a different function, and in tow need products produced at each one (one deals with chemistry like Sulfuric Acid, Black Powder (gun powder), Iron Salts (the product of Iron and Sulfuric acid), and distilling alcohol (Sulfuric Acid and Coal Gas wiki link now some true chemists will probably argue, and please due I'd like to know the proper way of making "pure alcohol" and its uses)

Another will deal with making special Alloys (through science and other fantasy things) and extraction of base elements from "hard" materials, will also have fun things like "Lead to Gold" even tho real alchemists only managed to make "fool's gold" in Regen we got magic (and science) raw glass can also be brought here to make containers and tools that are alchemy related.

The final one will deal with extraction of base elements from "soft/organic" materials, tinctures (pure alcohol + certain plants or magical body components), potion making, and I don't know what else it could do. Probably make more caustic liquids and things for other workshops and devices, maybe move the mercury extraction here plus quicksilver production.

I will have I think 5-7 custom materials that will be extracted from various materials, in which said materials can be mixed and matched in the 2 new alchemy shops for potions or alloys or harder certain materials (make tough leather, which can be farther strengthened to make a lightweight but durable armor.) Will be able to have some fun with this. And once I get that done, might has well bring back the paper and writing industry to further expand various industies (mainly alchemy, imagin some special reactions requiring alchemist notes).

[Hugo_The_Dwarf]

I've created a new poll regarding Alchemy (think of it as part 2) and the Industries I currently have (Candle Making, Mining, Quarries, Brewing, Lumbering, Smelting, Glass making, and Writing/ink/paper) including Gunsmithing (which I believe have disabled up until now, if I haven't; work on it some more)

Right now I have 7 custom materials related just for alchemy, and As you know I have the buildings done, now I just have to make up potions (and maybe some poisons) and some mixtures of these new materials and some other stuff to make these magical drinks (that mostly everyone will drink in fortress mode, and I mean everyone) so these potions will have very long lasting effects (maybe a year or 6 months) potions of regeneration might be good for already wounded but out of bed people (broken leg or arm) which also means anyone will drink it and waste it. Unless you do something with barrows and forbidding drinks to special rooms.

But this gives me an idea, maybe special potions can be made with alot of elements and materials to make a "permanent"  effect potions, even special ones like Potions of immortality, no sleep, no emotion, no pain (might have side effects for these, something maybe intermittent and sort of bi-polar like no pain might cause coughing up of blood every now and then) I will also allow the making of Mithril (but I have to do it in a way where the civ (other then high elves) have access to it naturally)

Also "Pisskop" gave me a great idea for a new cave 3 (hellish layer) critter, which will be a huge pain in the ass if it decides to wander around into your fortress (and even if you can't see it, you'll know it's there) and also the chosen critter to be its minions will have a ranged interaction, making them more of a pain in the ass. But the drops from them will be worth it (High level elements and ingredients) the "Big Mama" will for sure drop very rare parts. I'm also adapting this idea for a summoner caste for the new evil race, for the extra !!FUN!!

EDIT:

Also any comments so far? Also HARD do you have a copy of Mayday? I can't seem to find it and I wouldn't mind at all adding it into Slap Graphics.

But for everyone else thoughts?

EDIT2:

Just reworked to OP and added a little more information on it.

[Maklak]

I made you a plant table with my script. Lots of trees got misclassified as plants because my script doesn't understand BASIC_MAT:PLANT_MAT:TREE:STRUCTURAL token (yet) and expects USE_MATERIAL_TEMPLATE:WOOD:WOOD_TEMPLATE. Ah, I think this is not actually a bug and special plants that can be processed into logs can be grown in this mod. The rest of it looks OK.


Read 113 plants.

Dfhack # getplants commands for easy designating tree cutting and plant gathering:

Aboveground bushes: (only edible, cookable or brewable)
# getplants ROOT_MUCK TUBER_BLOATED BERRIES_PRICKLE BERRIES_STRAW_WILD GRASS_LONGLAND HERB_VALLEY WEED_RAT BERRIES_FISHER REED_ROPE SLIVER_BARB BERRY_SUN VINE_WHIP

Aboveground trees:
# getplants MANGROVE SAGUARO PINE CEDAR OAK MAHOGANY ACACIA KAPOK MAPLE WILLOW GLUMPRONG FEATHER HIGHWOOD LARCH CHESTNUT ALDER BIRCH ASH CANDLENUT MANGO RUBBER CACAO PALM

Underground bushes: (only edible, cookable or brewable)
# getplants MUSHROOM_HELMET_PLUMP GRASS_TAIL_PIG GRASS_WHEAT_CAVE POD_SWEET BUSH_QUARRY

Underground trees:
# getplants TOWER_CAP FUNGIWOOD BLOOD_THORN


Aboveground crop table:

Name  ID Value Grows Seasons Eat Cook Brew (Value) (Cook) Products (Value) Hints mangrove  MANGROVE_SMALL 1 66 All year No No N/A N/A -- saguaro  SAGUARO_SMALL 1 66 All year No No N/A N/A -- pine  PINE_SMALL 1 66 All year No No N/A N/A -- cedar  CEDAR_SMALL 1 66 All year No No N/A N/A -- oak  OAK_SMALL 1 66 All year No No N/A N/A -- mahogany  MAHOGANY_SMALL 1 66 All year No No N/A N/A -- acacia  ACACIA_SMALL 1 66 All year No No N/A N/A -- kapok  KAPOK_SMALL 1 66 All year No No N/A N/A -- maple  MAPLE_SMALL 1 66 All year No No N/A N/A -- willow  WILLOW_SMALL 1 66 All year No No N/A N/A -- larch  LARCH_SMALL 1 66 All year No No N/A N/A -- chestnut  CHESTNUT_SMALL 1 66 All year No No N/A N/A -- alder  ALDER_SMALL 1 66 All year No No N/A N/A -- birch  BIRCH_SMALL 1 66 All year No No N/A N/A -- ash  ASH_SMALL 1 66 All year No No N/A N/A -- candlenut  CANDLENUT_SMALL 1 66 All year No No N/A N/A -- mango tree  MANGO_SMALL 1 66 All year No No N/A N/A -- rubber tree  RUBBER_SMALL 1 66 All year No No N/A N/A -- cocoa tree  CACAO_SMALL 1 66 All year No No N/A N/A -- palm  PALM_SMALL 1 66 All year No No N/A N/A -- muck root  ROOT_MUCK 1 25 N/A? All year Yes Yes swamp whiskey (10) N/A Brew bloated tuber  TUBER_BLOATED 1 25 N/A? All year Yes Yes tuber beer (10) N/A Brew kobold bulb  BULB_KOBOLD 1 25 N/A? All year No No N/A EXTRACT(Flask): gnomeblight (100)   -- prickle berry  BERRIES_PRICKLE 1 25 All year Yes Yes N/A N/A Cook wild strawberry  BERRIES_STRAW_WILD 2 25 All year Yes Yes strawberry wine (30) (Y) N/A Brew Longland grass  GRASS_LONGLAND 2 25 All year Yes Pr. Longland beer (10) FLOUR: Longland flour (20)   Brew valley herb  HERB_VALLEY 5 25 N/A? Spring No Yes N/A EXTRACT(Flask): golden salve (100)   Cook rat weed  WEED_RAT 1 25 All year Yes Yes sewer brew (10) N/A Brew fisher berry  BERRIES_FISHER 2 25 All year Yes Yes N/A N/A Cook rope reed  REED_ROPE 2 25 All year Yes No river spirits (10) THREAD: rope reed thread (2)   Thread Brew blade weed  WEED_BLADE 2 25 All year No No N/A DYE: emerald dye (20)   Useless Dye hide root  ROOT_HIDE 1 25 All year No No N/A DYE: redroot dye (10)   Useless Dye sliver barb  SLIVER_BARB 1 25 All year No No gutter cruor (60) DYE: sliver dye (20)   Brew sun berry  BERRY_SUN 3 25 All year Yes Yes sunshine (120) N/A Brew whip vine  VINE_WHIP 1 25 All year Yes Pr. whip wine (10) FLOUR: whip vine flour (25)   Brew Mill Subterranean crop table:   Name  ID Value Grows Seasons Eat Cook Brew (Value) (Cook) Products (Value) Hints bulbous plant  PLANT_TANNIN_2 3 58 All year No No N/A N/A -- fungiwood  FUNGIWOOD_SMALL 1 66 All year No No N/A N/A -- bulbous mushroom  PLANT_TANNIN_1 3 58 All year No No N/A N/A -- plump helmet  MUSHROOM_HELMET_PLUMP 2 50 All year Yes Yes dwarven wine (10) N/A Brew pig tail  GRASS_TAIL_PIG 2 50 All year Yes No dwarven ale (10) THREAD: pig tail thread (2)   Thread cave wheat  GRASS_WHEAT_CAVE 2 83 All year Yes Pr. dwarven beer (10) FLOUR: dwarven wheat flour (20)   -- sweet pod  POD_SWEET 2 83 All year Yes Pr. dwarven rum (10) SUGAR: dwarven sugar (20)  EXTRACT(Barrel): dwarven syrup (20)   Brew quarry bush  BUSH_QUARRY 2 83 All year No Pr. N/A LEAF: quarry bush leaves (5)  OIL: rock nut oil (5)  SOAP: rock nut soap (5)  PRESSED: rock nut press cake (1)   Leaves Embark dimple cup  MUSHROOM_CUP_DIMPLE 2 41 All year No No N/A DYE: dimple dye (20)   Useless Dye Fake plant table:   Name  ID Value Grows Seasons Eat Cook Brew (Value) (Cook) Products (Value) Hints power ups  POWER_UP 10 0 N/A? None Yes No N/A N/A --

[Hugo_The_Dwarf]

that's pretty cool, altho I believe I cut the growable trees down from a varity to a standard "tree" since they all produce the same wood, figured might aswell just make a growable tree just a generic thing. Still have the big trees that you chop down as vanilla (willows, oaks, birches, etc) I'll also be throwing in a few more plants to the mix (cotten, Mandrake, some disturbing plants for cave level 3

Anyway to make your script find materials in the plants? Because my power-up plant is going to hold all my potion materials and other extras, would be cool see it say POWER_UP has these syndrome materials:
-item
-item
-item

maybe not worded like that, but you'll figure it out.

And since im here posting here is a sneak at my plans for alchemy:

Rone - stone/minerals
Aehl - blood/meat
Fahe - plants

Ierha - Fahe + Aehl
Iethr - Rone + Aehl

Areeoa - Ierha + Iethr + Moon/Sun/Bloodstone gems

Rone is extracted from base stone/minerals, it's the element of earth in a sense
Arhl is extracted from organic tissues like blood and meat/muscle/bone as it's the element of life
Fahe is extracted from organic fiberous tissues (like plant matter) it's the element of growth

Ierha is produced from combining life and growth elements to make the element of creation
Iethr is produced by combining  earth and life elements to make the element of protection

Areeoa is made from mixing the elements of creation and protection, and a magical gem stone to create the element of soul


These elements can be mixed with other materials to produce new ones, or another kind.
such as:
growth + stone = flux
life + stone = fuel
earth + stone = obsidian

metals may require two elements for simple transmutation but metals can be mixed with the greater elements to produce new alloys

also elements + plants (and sometimes tinctures) can produce potions with benefits, some more drastic ones can have side effects but will grant a permanent boost. Only potions that require Areeoa and very rare and distilled ingredients can grant safe boosts and even boosts that no other potion can give (like agelessness, need of sleep removed, greater regeneration) There will even be a super potion that will be incredibly hard to create but it will grant to consumer near immortality and superhuman(dwarven) attributes, giving them an edge over lesser beings (putting them almost at odds with vampires)

potion making will be by far the most difficult thing to manage in my opinion, which I think mainly advanced players will attempt to try as lots of chemicals and high grade materials will be needed to get a decent potion making setup possible. I know so far one creature in the 3rd cavern layer will need to be hunted for gray mold, this mold has regenerative and body bolstering qualities. Also a new plant will be created (along with some extra cave critters) that will allow for rare ingredients found nowhere else.

[Maklak]

Hm...

I fixed aboveground trees by adding TREE:PLANT_MAT:TREE:WOOD token to change plant type to "WOOD". Now there is a getplants macro for aboveground trees for this mod.

> I believe I cut the growable trees down from a varity to a standard "tree" since they all produce the same wood, figured might aswell just make a growable tree just a generic thing.
Well, I used the RAWs from the first post, which may not be up to date. Yes, it is probably best if you have just one type of wood producing plant and call it plywood or wood stalk or bamboo or whatever. Less clutter that way.

> I'll also be throwing in a few more plants to the mix (cotten, Mandrake, some disturbing plants for cave level 3
The whole point of my script is so that people can update tables like these quickly once they modify their plants.

> Anyway to make your script find materials in the plants?
This is out of scope for my script. All it checks are the plant RAWs (in this case plant_regen.txt), not material templates, reactions or anything else. I might add syndrome column (speaking of which the faster healing syndrome boosts recuperation 10 times, not twice) at some point, because more than one mod uses them, but I don't plan too many mod-specific extensions (with the exception of FoE, which gets full support).
The point of my script is to perform the bulk of boring work when making crop tables for mod manuals. You're actually supposed to look at the produced tables and edit them manually to better suit your needs before posting them as part of a manual. Making the script smarter is just too many corner cases and I'm fed up with it. For example there is nothing inside Masterwork's wood stalk that says it can be processed into wooden logs called branches, so I'd need to either hard-code that or look at reaction RAWs.

[Hugo_The_Dwarf]

fair enough on regards to extra coding.

@Mod
I'm going to try an experiment with clothing and armor, it's gonna make things a tad bit more difficult combat wise, but should stop some exploits (and maybe stop those random moments where a giant's shirt can block a steel axe)

lots of things to do, so little time.

[Hugo_The_Dwarf]

Ok so I've made up the Potions, and some methods of extracting elements. I just need to add in some mixing reactions which will probably be the majority of the third Alchemy Labs duties (Alchemical Workshop) to handle mixing of elements to make potions and greater elements

Still thinking of a way to make raw mithril at the metallurgy (ingredients wise) same with potions (probably Suger and some other things to make certain potions)

Who knew that this potion making crud would be so complex?

[HARD]

Can you add those two tilesets?

http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=126934.0

http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=53649.0

[Hugo_The_Dwarf]

Can you add those two tilesets?

http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=126934.0

http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=53649.0

Obsidian's spin on Phoebus I have added in already, however I just managed to get my hands on May Day. So I should have 4 packages bundled in for the release of v1.5

Iron Hand
Phoebus
Obsidian
May Day (maybe, hope to get this in for sure)

I'll probably remove accented chars from lang files because of some oddities with text regarding certain packs, and setup some filters for buildings and all should be well (I hope) slowly getting the potion making done up, then a few transmutations, as well as roaming fixes and balancing issues.

[Hugo_The_Dwarf]

Ok I got Mayday put in with some standard settings (since mayday is very close to vanilla (well some of his tilesets) I haven't made up any filters (also there was no raw/objects so could pry for any special changes))

I've also changed my mind, once I get alchemy done and a few other tweaks im going to release v1.5 because i'm going to safely assume that the next release of DF will be in roughly a month if not longer (this is my prediction, don't go by this as what the great Toad said. This is my opinion, he hasn't given out no dates or exact time frames (at least during the making of this post))

I'm also going to split my two download options to "Regen FE: Complete" and "Regen FE: Hot Fixes" the complete will be basically a pre-installed game with currently 4 (5 if you count ascii) graphic packs that you can choose from, and the Hot Fixes will be small changes that will most likely compatible with saves (when I make a patch) these will mostly be graphic pack updates. I'm also tweaking Slap Graphics a bit more, and soon I'll have an option to choose a location (since right now it's hard coded) have to find some way of getting the program to load up everything in "data/saves/" so you can just "pick" what file you wish to be updated be it the local raws or a save to update minor changes.

I've just managed to make a mockery of a filter maker, *WARNING* using it is at your own risk the worse that could happen is that Slap Graphics crashes or you accidentally overwrite a .txt file. the filter maker is developer use only, and is located in a "filters" tab so you don't actually have to stare at it. I'm currently trying to get a settings option up so features can be toggled off and such but right now it's just their to look pretty, Probably will have to rewrite the code and re-arrange files about to get the new system to work correctly, didn't expect the program to advance to this level.

current changelog atm for V1.5

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

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v1.5
---<MATERIALS>---
-inorganic_regen_magic has been transferred to a creature.
-inorganic_regen_automation has been transferred to a creature.
-PLANT_ALCOHOL_TEMPLATE has [REACTION_CLASS:ALCOHOL] added to it for distilling.
-Sun/Moon/Blood stones now have [REACTION_CLASS:SOUL]
-All Ignouis stones have [REACTION_CLASS:RONE] (excluding ores)
-Blood/Ichor, Muscle/meat/organs, and bone all have [REACTION_CLASS:AEHL]
-Most plant materials have [REACTION_CLASS:FAHE]
-Potions have been added to the POWER_UP plant placeholder.

---<ENTITES>---
-kobolds have been currently disabled as playable for now. (fortress mode)
-Humans have had their language changed back to vanilla for now.

---<PLANTS>---
-Farmable towercaps and natural towercaps had a raw confusion, as been fixed.

---<BUILDINGS>--
-Two new alchemy shops have been made, and the first one renamed
--Chemists Workshop (smallest alchemy shop, makes simple products)
--Metalurgy Workshop (medium alchemy shop, works with alloys and extracting base elements from minerals)
--Alchemcial Workshop (large alchemy shop, works with making poitions and extraction base elements from organics)
-Set custom build keys for new buildings so they shouldn't conflict with vanilla or each other.

---<REACTIONS>---
-Alchemy reactions are seperated into the different workshops
-Pure Alcohol (Eythonal) can be made by using fuel and Sulfiric Acid (oil of virtol)
-Potions can now be brewed, and elements extracted and combined is now possible

---<LANGUAGE>---
-All accented chars have been removed

---<FILE CHANGES>---
-inorganic_liquid_regen (removed)
-creature_material_alchemy (added)
-creature_material_crafting (added)
-creature_material_magic (added)
-creature_material_shaping (added)

---<GRAPHICS>---
-Messed around with a few things and added some graphics for some regen related critters.

---<SLAP GRAPHICS>---
-updated the program so it runs a bit more stable and file sequence
-Added Obsidian's Alternative Phoebus graphic set.
-Updated Phoebus to a newer set (most to all vanilla critters now have graphics)
-Added Mayday

I've got like I said some transmutations and a few more potion making options to go, then probably push it out and upload some quick fixes as I progress.

[Hugo_The_Dwarf]

Ok I made a new poll up. 11 choices, and 4 you can pick from. Some options if they gain the greatest favour might be included in the next release (v1.5) or will be a power goal for the hotfixes.

So vote away, and please give feedback on the current version, I can't find all the bugs or things that might need some "improvment" as everyones play style is different. Heck a feature might seem too OP and should be removed or nerf'd Idk.

Hope to get some of your opinions!

[Toxicshadow]

Funstuff. Really enjoy playing Regen; voted in the poll. Ye need more voters though! >.<