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Re: Cartoon/Western Animation Thread. -- Let's Get Dangerous
« Reply #1260 on: January 14, 2013, 09:59:05 pm »

For the first type of drama, I would nominate Samurai Jack, if you ignore the more comedic episodes. Avatar, especially the Korra series, also had it's moments.

I can't stand the second type of "drama", so I have no suggestions for that.

No I agree Samurai Jack certainly counts.

Now lets eliminate action from it. A show with little-no action and little-no comedic elements.
I can't think of anything off-hand. Just about all creative works contain either comedy or action to supplement the drama.
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« Reply #1261 on: January 14, 2013, 10:22:28 pm »

Well Samurai Jack has comedy elements but it has it in low enough doses that I don't count it as a comedy. Though it is an action series.

I can think of a few series that fall within drama without heavy comedy or heavy action.
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« Reply #1262 on: January 15, 2013, 04:24:32 am »

Well, let's look at what typical genres occur in film media.

http://www.imdb.com/genre
Action
Adventure
Animation
Biography
Comedy
Crime
Documentary
Drama
Family
Fantasy
Film-Noir
Game-Show
History
Horror
Music
Musical
Mystery
News
Reality-TV
Romance
Sci-Fi
Sport
Talk-Show
Thriller
War
Western


Now eliminate those not relevant to our discussion:

Action
Adventure
Animation
Biography
Comedy
Crime
Documentary
Drama
Family
Fantasy
Film-Noir
Game-Show
History
Horror
Music
Musical
Mystery
News
Reality-TV
Romance
Sci-Fi
Sport
Talk-Show
Thriller
War
Western


From this list we can reasonably further remove Film-Noir, War and Western too, since I doubt there's many that also cross over into western animation projects.

Now in defining "cartoon" we should also stipulate if this includes 3D computer animation or not. For this argument let's say not. Let's also say it can't be a feature length movie, only a TV series.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_animated_television_series

I scanned through the 2010s from American and Canadian companies but didn't see much I'd consider Drama. Honestly I don't know if there's such a market within western animation. Still, there's plenty of series there I don't know, so someone else might spot one.
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« Reply #1263 on: January 15, 2013, 04:45:00 am »

I'll just drop it. I made a post that I'll put in spoilers but it isn't very interesting or well thought out. You can respond to it but remember that everything in there I have divorsed as my official oppinion.

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Re: Cartoon/Western Animation Thread. -- Let's Get Dangerous
« Reply #1264 on: January 15, 2013, 07:13:13 am »

I submit that the classic Disney films (eg The Lion King) would probably count as "drama".
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« Reply #1265 on: January 15, 2013, 02:15:57 pm »

The Lion King = Hamlet. Classic Shakespeare. Specifically why I thought we could only use series, not feature length films.
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« Reply #1266 on: January 15, 2013, 02:24:08 pm »

I must've forgotten about the bit at the end of the Lion King where everyone died.
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« Reply #1267 on: January 15, 2013, 03:01:04 pm »

I must've forgotten about the bit at the end of the Lion King where everyone died.
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Re: Cartoon/Western Animation Thread. -- Let's Get Dangerous
« Reply #1268 on: January 15, 2013, 03:35:40 pm »

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or "OMG my bff unfriended me!!1!" drama?

That would count. Good luck finding ones that arn't comedies though.

Both Daria and King of the Hill are comedies but I would say the drama comes first.
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« Reply #1269 on: January 15, 2013, 08:39:58 pm »

The Lion King = Hamlet. Classic Shakespeare. Specifically why I thought we could only use series, not feature length films.
I'm pretty sure Hamlet didn't include anything about Hakuna Matata. Then again, it's been a few years since I read it...
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« Reply #1270 on: January 15, 2013, 10:11:17 pm »

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You need comedy in every genre to regulate tension. Look at Deep Space Nine, it used light hearted episodes, to fight viewing fatigue of the audience and to rebuild tension after dramatic episodes.

The weaker elements of the Dark Knight Returns is that it doesnt have enough comedy to help break up its tension and regulate the drama.

Demanding a Drama without comedy or reclassifying a Drama as comedy because it has comedy in it, is just dumb.

Nine, that was a movie that didnt know how to use comedy to regulate tension.
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« Reply #1271 on: January 15, 2013, 10:43:03 pm »

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or "OMG my bff unfriended me!!1!" drama?

That would count. Good luck finding ones that arn't comedies though.

Both Daria and King of the Hill are comedies but I would say the drama comes first.

The rule of thumb that I like to employ is that it is a comedy if there is ever a comedic ending to an episode that goes against the drama, characterisation, or what have you. If the ending works only works within the confines of a comedy and isn't the exception.
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« Reply #1272 on: January 16, 2013, 04:01:47 am »

Both Daria and King of the Hill are comedies but I would say the drama comes first.

The rule of thumb that I like to employ is that it is a comedy if there is ever a comedic ending to an episode that goes against the drama, characterisation, or what have you. If the ending works only works within the confines of a comedy and isn't the exception.
I can't think of an ending like that specifically, both series seem to have realism at heart, but there is a lot of both so my memory may be failing me.
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Re: Cartoon/Western Animation Thread. -- Let's Get Dangerous
« Reply #1273 on: January 16, 2013, 04:16:10 am »

Trust me when I say there were some really weird episodes as well as episodes where the ending was pretty much a punch line.
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Re: Cartoon/Western Animation Thread. -- Let's Get Dangerous
« Reply #1274 on: January 16, 2013, 04:18:19 am »

It's a weird divide in Western media. There are so many live action drama shows - it's pretty clear we have a huge audience for drama. Why aren't any ever animated?
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