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[Jervill]

Oh, and Neonivek, beware of Season 1 episode 15.  It has the problem you were going on about earlier with other cartoons:

I've come to the conclusion that people who write for Cartoons

Are completely unaware of what Science is.

The SHEER number of times I heard a "scientist" say that something "defied science" after they done a scientific test to prove said fact is staggering.

Tip: Science is not the opposite of superstition and magic. Science is a method in which one can test validity. Believe it or not Science not only can easily prove the existance of bad luck, afterall bad luck can be defined as random negative circumstances and thus it is easy to set up someone for bad luck, but if you use a scientific test to prove something like "Magic" exists then you SCIENTIFICALLY PROVEN THE EXISTANCE OF MAGIC! Science has many a time found folk tales and superstition true, many of the medicines we have today, and I don't mean alternative medicine, are folk remedies.
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I absolutely hate that episode, myself.

[Telgin]

Yeah, it wasn't my favorite either.  As I said not every episode was a hit for me.  There was a number of writers, as I'm sure is the case with any substantial cartoon series, and some episodes weren't that great.  Or I thought X should have been done slightly differently to get a better overall effect.  That sort of thing.

As a whole though, I do recommend at least giving the series a chance.  I liked the cartoon itself plenty, but I find the fan created content to be even better.  A lot of the time, anyway.

[Mr Space Cat]

PTW. I have a cold or something so I don't feel up to participating in any discussions at the moment.

I love me some MLP:FIM or Scooby-Doo though, and I'm somewhat interested in the actual process of animation and examples of it, so the future contents of this thread seem promising.

[Neonivek]

I don't consider us officially outside the "Dark days of cartoons" until we have a good kids cartoon that isn't a comedy or Super Hero show or for really young children that reaches some level of popularity.

Also nevermind that is entirely unfair... since I cannot think of many that did that.

Hmm... but either way I don't consider us out of the dark ages just yet.

[penguinofhonor]

Most people consider the "dark days" of children's cartoons to be anything made after they got too old for children's cartoons.

[kaijyuu]

I'm not sure there ever was a "dark ages." There have been good cartoons since the late 80s. Prior to that there was a whole lot of trash produced by Hanna Barbara and such, with their limited animation shenanigans, but afterwards, in the late 80s and early 90s, we started getting more mature and sophisticated cartoons and haven't really looked back.

People say "cartoons suck nowadays" but really, they sucked just as bad when they were kids. We just remember the good stuff, like Batman the Animated Series, and Gummi Bears, and Tail Spin, and Animaniacs, etc etc etc. In 20 years people will be looking back and wondering why cartoons aren't as good as Gravity Falls, MLP:FiM, Adventure Time, etc.

I don't consider us officially outside the "Dark days of cartoons" until we have a good kids cartoon that isn't a comedy or Super Hero show or for really young children that reaches some level of popularity.

Avatar.

[Neonivek]

The Dark Ages is really just a product of transition, as well as being a product of comming after the 90s which I consider the Golden age of animation.

Basically a lot of great shows ended their run at around the 2000s, a lot at once, without a lot of great content to replace it. Nuking entire genres of cartoons for years. Add in immitations of those shows without the heart that ran them and you pretty much see why things got so bad there.

As well there started to be an increased demand of life action over animation. So many of the companies who made cartoons got into making live action. (Not to mention an EXTREME oversaturation of comedy)

There is probably some other things involved but simply speaking it was basically a "Animation depression"

Most people consider the "dark days" of children's cartoons to be anything made after they got too old for children's cartoons

I consider it to be sort of post 2000s where the general quality of cartoons dropped like a rock. a 10 year period of almost nothing.

We are starting the outswing now, but I am not banking on us being "out" just yet.

In 20 years people will be looking back and wondering why cartoons aren't as good as Gravity Falls, MLP:FiM, Adventure Time, etc

Good thing I am fair and only attribute the Dark Ages as the period after 2000 until 2010 and don't consider the 80s inferior in anyway shape or form.

[Furtuka]

Ehhhh?

[kaijyuu]

Mid 00s stuff:

Powerpuff girls
Courage the Cowardly Dog
Ed Edd and Eddy
Dexter's Lab
Invader Zim (yes I know it was canceled)
Foster's Home for Imaginary Friends
Spongebob
Etc


(could be fuzzy on some of the exact dates for those)

[Neonivek]

Avatar.

Let me check wikipedia.

Too late in the Dark Ages. It was definately one of the pushes out, but it has to be a cartoon from 2011-2012.

Mid 00s stuff:

Powerpuff girls
Courage the Cowardly Dog
Ed Edd and Eddy
Dexter's Lab
Invader Zim (yes I know it was canceled)
Etc

Ahh yes, All Comedies.

Also don't forget Johnny Bravo, Spongebob Squarepants, and I think there are a few more.

Also Invader Zim is a good example since it was Cancelled because its demographic wasn't children it was adults.

Plus as non-comedies there was Justice League and Justice League of America.

[kaijyuu]

My my my, aren't we picky


You're asking for a dramatic kid's cartoon that isn't a superhero show? You'll be hard pressed to find one of those in any time period. And most of the borderline cases are comedies (Duck Tales, etc).

[Telgin]

Most people consider the "dark days" of children's cartoons to be anything made after they got too old for children's cartoons.

Quoted for truth.

[Neonivek]

My my my, aren't we picky


You're asking for a dramatic kid's cartoon that isn't a superhero show? You'll be hard pressed to find one of those in any time period. And most of the borderline cases are comedies (Duck Tales, etc).

Dear goodness... Aladin.

Done... and that wasn't even all that amazing of a show.

Hmm one for the 80s? Hmmm... Transformers.

*Wipes off hands*

Well that was easy

[kaijyuu]

Reboot too.

Great, we've found two. Three if I can throw in Tail Spin. Four with Avatar.


Not many over a 20 year period. Not just the period you're talking about.

[Neonivek]

Reboot too.

Great, we've found two. Three if I can throw in Tail Spin. Four with Avatar.


Not many over a 20 year period. Not just the period you're talking about.

I should probably limit the dark ages as 2000-2005

"Great, we've found two. Three if I can throw in Tail Spin. Four with Avatar"

It is easy to come up with many more. The "Every show MUST be a comedy" is relatively recent and very old. Sort of a parabola where 80s is the minimum (I mean goodness... I think of every really popular 80s cartoon and almost NONE of them are Comedies. I mean there were and many of them are REALLY corny to the point of being comedies today, but still)