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Re: Cartoon/Western Animation Thread. -- Welcome aboard Air Shaggy and Scooby!
« Reply #735 on: August 04, 2012, 02:39:06 am »

The small number of male characters is due to meddling, actually. There's quite a few more in season 2, all over the scale of "likeable" to "dislikable." Fancy Pants is awesome.

Honestly the only gender related hiccup I noticed was Shining Armor; he's Twilight's big brother, and has some horrible "your big brother is your protector" undertones. I felt his general attitude toward his younger sister absolutely grating. That can be justified by assuming the creators were just having fun with the "Knight in Shining Armor" trope, as his name suggests, though. Hopefully he never shows up again.

Honestly I REALLY REALLY have to watch this show. If only because of this accusation.

I mean it is one thing just for a character to have a condensending older brother who believes it is his job to protect his younger sister and POSSIBLY that she feels that way too. but for that scenario to play out like "That is how things should be" is another.

and this isn't just some dumb TVshow critic who finds any little character flaw to mean that the show wants children to copy that character. This is a Bay12games viewer meaning there is actually some clout (I can't believe I am not being sarcastic).
Well it's not very big of an implication, but I really think it's there. You have an extremely self sufficient female character, who for the entire series up to this point been able to take care of herself, and then during the season finale her big brother shows up and there's a song about how he was "always there for her" and such. Always there for her, despite never doing a damn thing for her on-screen, and in fact never even being mentioned at all. And he thinks he can use condescending and "cute" pet names while noogieing her, as a stereotypical big brother protector would.

Grr.

If you're looking for horrible unfortunate implications, no, it's not that bad. But enough to get on my nerves a bit.

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The Night the Clown Cried parts 1 and 2 seem very disjointed, with the villain having entirely different motivations for each one despite being the same guy

Sometimes this happens if the writers back out of a twist or of an event that happened.

It is very possible that they written a much better second part but either thought it was too risky or that it did too much too soon. It can also happen if they written the first part and then tried to shoehorn a certain ending and noticed that the motivations don't match so they change it.
They did have to back out on one of the twists:
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It's hard to imagine a better part 2, since I fucking LOVED that episode, but yeah it didn't really fit with his previous established motivations. It could be they had a really awesome idea and just decided to go for it without changing part 1.

There are lots of "good ideas" in season 2 so far now that I think about it, but... Disjointed really is a good word. I love the return of Hot Dog Water and her... ahem, "friendship" with Velma. But she seemed a bit shoehorned in to the plots so far.
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Re: Cartoon/Western Animation Thread. -- Welcome aboard Air Shaggy and Scooby!
« Reply #736 on: August 04, 2012, 02:47:28 am »

Re: Older brother

I haven't seen the episode in question (or any of them for that matter), but it sounds like the sort of thing in which the younger sister would demonstrate that she no longer/never needed her brother's protection, and he would lay off the Knight in Shining Armor thing. To me, that's a fine aesop, since yes, older brothers do tend to be protective and no, they don't always need to be. Is that how it turned out?
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Re: Cartoon/Western Animation Thread. -- Welcome aboard Air Shaggy and Scooby!
« Reply #737 on: August 04, 2012, 02:53:52 am »

Nope. He and his girlfriend (another out-of-nowhere character) end up saving everyone with a deus ex machina.

This show's a bit better than what you might be thinking, though. He didn't ride up and show how one needs a MAN to solve problems. He had to get his own butt saved first. It's just that the sibling dynamic is obvious, and it really grates with how Twilight was previously established (independent). None of that changes by the end of the episodes, either.

It's about as weird as it would be if Lisa Simpson started idolizing (a slightly more mature) Bart.



There are no horrible sexist undertones here, just a minor one that popped out and annoyed me :P
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« Reply #738 on: August 04, 2012, 02:57:40 am »

Okay, having seen the Simpsons, that would strike me as quite odd. Thanks for explaining :)
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Re: Cartoon/Western Animation Thread. -- Welcome aboard Air Shaggy and Scooby!
« Reply #739 on: August 07, 2012, 03:26:37 pm »

Series that nobody has mentioned yet (and that honestly, even I had forgotten until just a bit ago):
The Oblongs!

Awesome warped humor, great voice acting cast, shame that it's been on indefinite hiatus for about eight years now...
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« Reply #740 on: August 07, 2012, 04:31:19 pm »

Wasn't Bob Will Ferrell in that?

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Re: Cartoon/Western Animation Thread. -- Welcome aboard Air Shaggy and Scooby!
« Reply #741 on: August 07, 2012, 06:23:46 pm »

50 pages and my waifu wasn't mentioned at least once? For shame.

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« Reply #742 on: August 07, 2012, 07:24:33 pm »

Whatever floats your boat, Kilroy :P
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Re: Cartoon/Western Animation Thread. -- Welcome aboard Air Shaggy and Scooby!
« Reply #743 on: August 07, 2012, 07:34:21 pm »

50 pages and my waifu wasn't mentioned at least once? For shame.

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Re: Cartoon/Western Animation Thread. -- Welcome aboard Air Shaggy and Scooby!
« Reply #744 on: August 07, 2012, 07:34:37 pm »

Series that nobody has mentioned yet (and that honestly, even I had forgotten until just a bit ago):
The Oblongs!
I remember hearing about that one. It's supposedly one of the most depressing and nihilistic cartoons ever.


50 pages and my waifu wasn't mentioned at least once? For shame.

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Many a furry would agree with you :P
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Re: Cartoon/Western Animation Thread. -- Welcome aboard Air Shaggy and Scooby!
« Reply #745 on: August 07, 2012, 08:20:27 pm »

The Ooblongs, is a good show, but hard to describe. Nihilist is a good descriptor though.
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Re: Cartoon/Western Animation Thread. -- Welcome aboard Air Shaggy and Scooby!
« Reply #746 on: August 07, 2012, 08:47:48 pm »

50 pages and my waifu wasn't mentioned at least once? For shame.

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Callie Briggs is also my waifu.
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Re: Cartoon/Western Animation Thread. -- Welcome aboard Air Shaggy and Scooby!
« Reply #747 on: August 08, 2012, 09:21:33 am »

Wasn't Bob Will Ferrell in that?
Yes indeed! And does a great job with it, without going overboard.
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« Reply #748 on: August 08, 2012, 05:16:39 pm »

Will Ferrel is an actor I want to like, but often times he just over acts and thinks 'yelling is acting'.
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Re: Cartoon/Western Animation Thread. -- Welcome aboard Air Shaggy and Scooby!
« Reply #749 on: August 08, 2012, 10:34:11 pm »

Will Ferrel is an actor I want to like, but often times he just over acts and thinks 'yelling is acting'.

That's what I like about his role as Bob--he doesn't yell.
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