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Neonivek

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Re: Cartoon/Western Animation Thread. -- In Brightest Day, in Blackest Night...
« Reply #450 on: July 08, 2012, 10:10:43 pm »
You don't even have to get into the plots.

Just the way they are set up. Animation tends to be brisk but Live Action tends to meander about. Less dead air.

Plus there is less stiff dull acting.
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Re: Cartoon/Western Animation Thread. -- CG vs Traditional?
« Reply #451 on: July 10, 2012, 09:05:55 am »
Been thinking about something.


What's ya'll's opinion on CG animation vs "traditional" 2d animation?

I find I'm kinda biased against CG. I'm not quite sure why; I love most of Pixar's movies. Kung Fu Panda is one of my favorite movie series ever (why does 3 have to be so far away!?). But I see something like Wreck it Ralph and am immediately skeptical. Also, I didn't actually see Tangled but I did watch Princess and the Frog. The only reason I can think of for this is the CG animation.

I guess I get a sort of "puppetry" vibe from CG. The models almost always have rigid bone structures. It's much less common to see things going off model for added expression, and there's none of the fun tricks of 2D. In a word, everything feels "stiff" in comparison.



So, do you like one over the other? Indifferent?
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Re: Cartoon/Western Animation Thread. -- CG vs Traditional?
« Reply #452 on: July 10, 2012, 11:20:36 am »
In general I prefer traditional, simply because you have a bit more flexibility than in 3d.  Also 3d you tend to notice a lot more when something looks bad.

What annoys me more than either of those though, is when they mix them together so part of a show is 3d and the other part is 2d.  That drives me right up the wall.
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Re: Cartoon/Western Animation Thread. -- CG vs Traditional?
« Reply #453 on: July 10, 2012, 11:32:52 am »
Even when it is relatively subtle like Futurama?  I personally don't really care either way, and sometimes when mixed well they can look good.
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Re: Cartoon/Western Animation Thread. -- CG vs Traditional?
« Reply #454 on: July 10, 2012, 11:35:20 am »
Quote from: Jervill on July 10, 2012, 11:32:52 am
Even when it is relatively subtle like Futurama?  I personally don't really care either way, and sometimes when mixed well they can look good.

If I don't notice it then its fine.  Futurama actually does a pretty good job of it. 
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Re: Cartoon/Western Animation Thread. -- CG vs Traditional?
« Reply #455 on: July 10, 2012, 11:44:52 am »
Quote from: Levi on July 10, 2012, 11:35:20 am
Quote from: Jervill on July 10, 2012, 11:32:52 am
Even when it is relatively subtle like Futurama?  I personally don't really care either way, and sometimes when mixed well they can look good.

If I don't notice it then its fine.  Futurama actually does a pretty good job of it.

So does southpark
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Re: Cartoon/Western Animation Thread. -- CG vs Traditional?
« Reply #456 on: July 10, 2012, 11:48:03 am »
Hmm CG versus animation.

Personally I notice a lot of lazyness when it comes to CG that you can just see when you watch a CG show back to back with an animated show. Watch the CG Spiderman versus The Amazing Spiderman and you notice it.

At the same time some of my favorite shows have been CG (Reboot or Beastwars and HECK I even liked Shadow Raiders).

Plus even today CG just isn't all that good.

Assuming I am thinking of the right CG and we arn't talking about shows like Chaotic versus the last season of Chaotic where the show went from using Flash to using traditional animation (and personally... I actually prefered the Flash... Yes the animation was a lot less sophisticated but it was sort of the show's style).

Anyhow to say my oppinion more formally: CG is a great way to animate a series, unfortunately it has rarely been done well for reasons I cannot fathom.
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Re: Cartoon/Western Animation Thread. -- CG vs Traditional?
« Reply #457 on: July 10, 2012, 11:50:41 am »
I guess it would be more accurate to say "3D vs 2D." Stuff made with Flash/etc doesn't seem to be too different from "regular" 2d animation except when they're being exceptionally lazy.
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Re: Cartoon/Western Animation Thread. -- CG vs Traditional?
« Reply #458 on: July 10, 2012, 12:34:44 pm »
Quote from: Neonivek on July 10, 2012, 11:48:03 am
Plus even today CG just isn't all that good.
Good looking CGI cost money!  That's why TV adaptions of CG films look really poor, they're done at a much lower cost.
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Re: Cartoon/Western Animation Thread. -- CG vs Traditional?
« Reply #459 on: July 10, 2012, 02:49:22 pm »
Archer is hilarious. Whoever mentioned it is an awesome person and I love them.

Quote from: kaijyuu on July 10, 2012, 09:05:55 am
Been thinking about something.


What's ya'll's opinion on CG animation vs "traditional" 2d animation?

I find I'm kinda biased against CG. I'm not quite sure why; I love most of Pixar's movies. Kung Fu Panda is one of my favorite movie series ever (why does 3 have to be so far away!?). But I see something like Wreck it Ralph and am immediately skeptical. Also, I didn't actually see Tangled but I did watch Princess and the Frog. The only reason I can think of for this is the CG animation.

I guess I get a sort of "puppetry" vibe from CG. The models almost always have rigid bone structures. It's much less common to see things going off model for added expression, and there's none of the fun tricks of 2D. In a word, everything feels "stiff" in comparison.



So, do you like one over the other? Indifferent?

I typically don't really like CG. Toy Story 3 was just...too perfect or something. It seemed off to me. There are exceptions though, I LOVED the Final Fantasy: Spirits Within movie, and Code Lyoko is fun too.

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Re: Cartoon/Western Animation Thread. -- CG vs Traditional?
« Reply #460 on: July 10, 2012, 02:51:00 pm »
Glad I could help. Archer is hilarious.
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Re: Cartoon/Western Animation Thread. -- CG vs Traditional?
« Reply #461 on: July 10, 2012, 02:54:30 pm »
Quote from: quinnr on July 10, 2012, 02:49:22 pm
I LOVED the Final Fantasy: Spirits Within movie
wait what


Well I guess everything has at least 1 fan :D
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For, in order that men should resist injustice, something more is necessary than that they should think injustice unpleasant. They must think injustice absurd; above all, they must think it startling. They must retain the violence of a virgin astonishment. When the pessimist looks at any infamy, it is to him, after all, only a repetition of the infamy of existence. But the optimist sees injustice as something discordant and unexpected, and it stings him into action.

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Re: Cartoon/Western Animation Thread. -- CG vs Traditional?
« Reply #462 on: July 10, 2012, 03:05:33 pm »
Quote from: kaijyuu on July 10, 2012, 02:54:30 pm
Quote from: quinnr on July 10, 2012, 02:49:22 pm
I LOVED the Final Fantasy: Spirits Within movie
wait what


Well I guess everything has at least 1 fan :D

..But it was so pretty. And the plot wasn't bad either. I wasn't even aware people didn't like it.
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Re: Cartoon/Western Animation Thread. -- CG vs Traditional?
« Reply #463 on: July 10, 2012, 03:08:44 pm »
Yeah, it wasn't a very well received movie. Completely killed off Square's movie department!

But don't let that taint your view on it. If you like it, other people's opinions mean squat.
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Re: Cartoon/Western Animation Thread. -- CG vs Traditional?
« Reply #464 on: July 10, 2012, 03:29:40 pm »
The film has its problems. Lots of them, in fact, and in important areas: the story seems banal and superificial to the visuals; the "actors" are sufficiently removed from the uncanny valley to actually think of them in terms of acting skill - which is invariably wooden and failing to convey much emotions. While Dr.Ross has obviously been given much nerdy love by the creators, other characters feel way too two-dimensional(pun!).
On the other hand, the imagery can inspire childlike wonder, while the technical aspects(esp. considering the time of release) are stunning.

In other words, there is lots to love about that film, but all those things don't make it a good one. IMO, of course.
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