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kaijyuu

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Re: Cartoon/Western Animation Thread. -- Toph can't read your post.
« Reply #315 on: June 23, 2012, 11:44:34 pm »

Okay, so I started Korra. 3 episodes in.

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« Reply #316 on: June 24, 2012, 12:27:18 am »

Pretty sure you're supposed to sympathize with Amon, yeah. Dude's written to make a lot of sense.
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« Reply #317 on: June 24, 2012, 12:32:31 am »

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I believe there is a nonbending member on the City Council for what it's worth, but yeah at episode three I was right there with you. When you see more of Amon's methods, you might start to feel differently.

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« Reply #318 on: June 24, 2012, 01:05:21 am »

Oh dear. Halfway through episode 5. I see what ya'll meant when you said the relationshipping was messed up.

Why is Avatar so terrible with canon ships? I mean, I don't mind Zuko-clone-with-a-scarf, but the fun nice guy is so much better. Big Strong Girl has to be paired with Big Strong Man, I guess...



(If it's not apparent yet I'm terrible at remembering names. I only know Korra's name since it is in the title. It wasn't until well after I'd finished the first series that I could connect character names with character faces with any regularity. Pretty much the same for me with people in real life, too. So, apologies in advance that I'm referring to people by visual and personality cues.)
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For, in order that men should resist injustice, something more is necessary than that they should think injustice unpleasant. They must think injustice absurd; above all, they must think it startling. They must retain the violence of a virgin astonishment. When the pessimist looks at any infamy, it is to him, after all, only a repetition of the infamy of existence. But the optimist sees injustice as something discordant and unexpected, and it stings him into action.

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« Reply #319 on: June 24, 2012, 01:44:44 am »

What? No, you're not supposed to agree with Amon at all.

You don't go up to a violinist and say "You have a talent few others have and this isn't fair," and then cut his hands off, do you? Yeah, the benders are douchebags sometimes, and maybe his ideals are good in theory, but not a single one of his methods is.
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« Reply #320 on: June 24, 2012, 01:52:41 am »

If he's beating your face in with the violin, yes, you take the violin away.

It's not skill, talent, what have you, but power. If you have power or privilege, you use it responsibly or it gets taken away. There is no force keeping benders in check save other benders (and the Avatar), which leads to a Who Watches the Watchers scenario. And given the setting (rampant gangs, economic inequality, corrupt politicians, all with a significant bent in favor of benders), I think there's a good case for power being used irresponsibly. So excuse me if I sympathize with the proletariat-stand-in revolutionary. :P
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For, in order that men should resist injustice, something more is necessary than that they should think injustice unpleasant. They must think injustice absurd; above all, they must think it startling. They must retain the violence of a virgin astonishment. When the pessimist looks at any infamy, it is to him, after all, only a repetition of the infamy of existence. But the optimist sees injustice as something discordant and unexpected, and it stings him into action.

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« Reply #321 on: June 24, 2012, 02:04:04 am »

A revolutionary whose ideals would result in the crippling of countless innocent people? Who manipulated the benders at every turn to make them look worse? His ideals were only violence and anarchy instead of compromise and reform. He was a shining example of "the road to hell is paved with good intentions", at best.
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« Reply #322 on: June 24, 2012, 02:41:47 am »

It's a very interesting vehicle to explore the issues of privilege and class struggles. The benders are like the aristocracy, the plutocrats, the bourgeoisie, whatever you want to call those that have power based on what was given to them from birth. The muggles are then the proletariat, which makes Amon's revolutionaries communists (I don't mean this as an insult, I mean this is essentially the issues that surrounded the communist movement dressed up in a different skin).

There's a question that's been bugging me since before I learnt about the legend of Korra. We know that the world of Avatar has reincarnation, there's only ever one Avatar because the Avatar's powers are connected to their soul, and that soul has to leave the world before it can re-enter it, but does this apply for everyone else too? If you're born a muggle, are you forever doomed to reincarnate as a muggle? It's kind of grim prospect you have to admit.
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« Reply #323 on: June 24, 2012, 07:07:57 am »

A revolutionary whose ideals would result in the crippling of countless innocent people?
Crippling? Crippling? Did you seriously just call 3/4 of Avatar's universe crippled? (actually I'm guessing on the percentage of benders to non-benders but you get the idea)



No, the dude's sin was a little thing called the Associative Fallacy. He lashed out against not only the bad guys (like the gang leaders/etc), but innocent ones as well. He lumped everyone in an arbitrary group (benders) as Evil (tm). It's the same as any form of prejudice, be it racism, classism, agism, sexism, or what-have-you. Some people he hit deserved it (gang leaders), some didn't at all, others could've use a friggin' time out. He didn't differentiate and instead treated everyone as if they deserved it. Spoilers henceforth:
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There's a question that's been bugging me since before I learnt about the legend of Korra. We know that the world of Avatar has reincarnation, there's only ever one Avatar because the Avatar's powers are connected to their soul, and that soul has to leave the world before it can re-enter it, but does this apply for everyone else too? If you're born a muggle, are you forever doomed to reincarnate as a muggle? It's kind of grim prospect you have to admit.
My theory is that they all get reincarnated much the same as the Avatar does (new lives with completely different personalities, may as well be entirely different people, but are connected somehow). I dunno if bending follows the reincarnation cycle but is probably affected somehow. It's not like all the airbenders of the world are stuck in limbo until that tribe gets repopulated... I hope :X
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For, in order that men should resist injustice, something more is necessary than that they should think injustice unpleasant. They must think injustice absurd; above all, they must think it startling. They must retain the violence of a virgin astonishment. When the pessimist looks at any infamy, it is to him, after all, only a repetition of the infamy of existence. But the optimist sees injustice as something discordant and unexpected, and it stings him into action.

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« Reply #324 on: June 24, 2012, 09:53:30 am »

Might've been posted already... But i'm so sad that Mako died of cancer. I salute him, best uncle ever T_T


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« Reply #325 on: June 24, 2012, 12:48:41 pm »

The ending for LoK... is lackluster...

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« Reply #326 on: June 24, 2012, 02:09:37 pm »

Probably just chakra blocking. If a martial artist can block bending by hitting pressure points, then a bloodbender would be able to permanently (or not, depending on how the series pans out) damage those same points.
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« Reply #327 on: June 24, 2012, 03:43:12 pm »

I'll be the first to admit I buy into a pretty idealized version of the Avatar universe. I don't worry that there are no checks on the Avatar because the show seems to imply that having the wisdom of hundreds of past lives is going to ensure you're a pretty good person. I'm willing to accept stuff like that.

A revolutionary whose ideals would result in the crippling of countless innocent people?
Crippling? Crippling? Did you seriously just call 3/4 of Avatar's universe crippled? (actually I'm guessing on the percentage of benders to non-benders but you get the idea)

If someone's got a talent that you don't have, taking away that talent... well, it might not be crippling since there's no real analogue to it in the real world, but it feels the same. If Superman gets exposed to some kryptonite nobody goes "Yeah, Superman, now you have to fight Lex Luthor like the rest of us would!" It's tragic.
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« Reply #328 on: June 25, 2012, 01:04:28 am »

Just right now finished Avatar: The Last Airbender.
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Now, the question is if I should start watching Korra or just wait for it to finish first.
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« Reply #329 on: June 25, 2012, 01:25:34 am »

Well the current season is finished, so it's a good time to catch up.
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