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Re: Cartoon/Western Animation Thread. -- Toph can't read your post.
« Reply #285 on: June 23, 2012, 01:58:36 am »

Hrm, another question: If Captain Planet is made of the elements... can he be bent? An avatar could literally rip him apart if so.



(Cartoon thread is officially about "who would win" scenarios. And complaining about shipping, on the side.)

I asked that earlier but truthfully I don't know. Though if I remember correctly materials that arn't pure of element have trouble being bent and since Captain Planet is all the elements he probably could "out bend them".

Though I guess since I have to take this seriously... Captain Planet's body is probably composed of special crystal unless he choses to transform it. In fact he sleeps in crystals whenever he dies or goes back to the rings.
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« Reply #286 on: June 23, 2012, 02:23:58 am »

... Cartoon thread is officially about "who would win" scenarios ...
Hmm.  Samurai Jack vs. Batman!  Team Avatar vs. the Justice League!  Korra vs. Captain Planet!  The KND vs. Mystery Inc.!  Jimmy Neutron vs. Pinky and the Brain!  Planet Express crew vs. the Simpsons!

Yeah, I kind of ran out of ideas at the end there.  PLACE YOUR BETS!
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« Reply #287 on: June 23, 2012, 02:45:52 am »

Samurai Jack vs. Batman!
Does Jack have a compunction against killing? Because Batman always loses the first fight, so Jack would win if he killed Batman there, but Batman would win round 2.

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Team Avatar vs. the Justice League!
Justice League, no contest. Aang might be a good match for Superman in the Avatar state, but the others would get wtfpwned by the rest of the Justice League.

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Korra vs. Captain Planet!
Captain Planet, barring stupid actions on the Captain's part.

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The KND vs. Mystery Inc.!
Hrm... Probably Kids Next Door. Haven't seen their cartoon but I imagine they're more competent.

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Jimmy Neutron vs. Pinky and the Brain!
Jimmy Neutron. Pinky would screw up Brain's plan somehow.

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Planet Express crew vs. the Simpsons!
Neither. They'd both fail, somehow.




Wait shouldn't I be discouraging ridiculous tangents? Meh.
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« Reply #288 on: June 23, 2012, 05:11:15 am »

I'm not entirely sure Jack wouldn't repeatedly kick batman's ass, actually, even without killing. Jack's got a fucking spirit-powered ion cannon in his sword or some such, iirc, plus ridiculous amount of experience kicking around gadget-based bounty hunters. Jack's also pretty plainly superhuman to a degree a couple of steps beyond bman ("Jump good", for starters). In most scenarios I could think of, Jack would have an absolutely major advantage without many notable weaknesses. Dude's kinda' a beast.

Bman might be able to poison Jack's tea, though! Except I'm pretty sure Aku's goons tried that :-\

Re: Aang versus superman... technically, Supes could just go kinetic kill vehicle on the glowy midget from out near mars or somethin'. Not sure what the avatar state could do against a swarm of hunks of metal traveling a significant fraction of c being launched from a couple of AU away. Mind you, the planet itself probably wouldn't come out too well in that exchange either, but meh. Barring that, Supes has that whole "nearly as fast as flash" thing, which would probably be enough in itself.
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« Reply #289 on: June 23, 2012, 05:18:20 am »

Superman's got a semi-well known weakness against magic. When they're not ignoring it, Supes is supposed to be hurt by magic just as much as any human would be. I'd count bending as magic, so some well timed rocks and fireballs to the face would do some decent damage. Hell, bloodbend him, then you'd have to get Wonder Woman or someone to slow him down.

This is, of course, the STAS and Justice League Superman, not the comic book one which is much more powerful.



If anyone wants to talk about something more serious, feel free to pipe up. :P
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« Reply #290 on: June 23, 2012, 10:13:37 am »

Watching Korra finale.

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« Reply #291 on: June 23, 2012, 11:10:43 am »

I just finished watching the LoK finale. It was wonderful.
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« Reply #292 on: June 23, 2012, 11:17:24 am »

I just finished watching the LoK finale. It was wonderful.
Seconded!  Honestly, that has had the most reveals that surprised me.  I did not see so much of that coming.

I'll have to watch it again later today as well!  Yay for DVR (provided my sister doesn't delete it to make room for another few dozen hours of cooking shows and soap operas she'll never watch. >.<)
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« Reply #293 on: June 23, 2012, 11:22:07 am »

I only found this thread just now. It is 2:25AM and I am busy with a 70s music binge, so I'll keep it brief:
The show Ed, Edd and Eddy shaped who I am today. :P Whether that's good or bad I've no idea, but Eddy's the only role model I've ever needed.
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« Reply #294 on: June 23, 2012, 12:57:56 pm »

Superman's got a semi-well known weakness against magic. When they're not ignoring it, Supes is supposed to be hurt by magic just as much as any human would be. I'd count bending as magic, so some well timed rocks and fireballs to the face would do some decent damage.

They won't, though. The problem with Supes' "semi-well known weakness against magic" is that a lot of people don't know how it actually works (Kurt Busiek explained it once).

Superman has no special protection against magic. This means that enchantments and spells meant to produce a certain effect can harm him. Take the example of Mjolnir, Thor's Hammer, and Wonder Woman's sword. Both weapons have been used on Superman, but only one actually managed to make him bleed. Both are magic. The difference is in the specific enchantment.

Wonder Woman's sword is enchanted to be able to cut anything in existence. It's not this way because it's super sharp, it's that way because its particular magic says so. Thor's Mjolnir, on the other hand, is much more magical - he can use it to channel radiation, call lightning, or just whack things. But it doesn't have any particular enchantment on it that would allow it to hurt Superman - and thus it doesn't hurt him in any particular way. The reason Supes gets hurt when he gets hit by Mjolnir isn't due to Mjolnir being magical, it's due to Thor being Thor.

If you've ever played DnD, Superman essentially has a tremendous amount of AC (armor) and HP (hit points), but no innate SR (spell resistance).

Things that are bent don't become magical just by being bent. A rock thrown at Superman by an Earthbender would just be a rock - no particular magic in it. Of the Avatars we've been shown, I think that Kyoshi would stand a chance against STAS Superman (or any of the Avatars in the Avatar state), but not because of magic rocks - rather, because she's really strong. Island-splitting strong.
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« Reply #295 on: June 23, 2012, 03:24:36 pm »

I suppose Supes would be vulnerable to energybending, but he might have enough willpower to resist it (the whole your spirit has to be unbendable thing).  On the other hand, of the other potential Team Avatar vs. JLA matchups, Zuko vs. Martian Manhunter is an easy win for Zuko, Toph might be able to counter Flash, and Katara vs. Green Lantern would quickly turn into "who can get more creative with their power?", with GL eventually coming out on top.  Then Sokka and Suki would take on Batman and Wonder Woman and lose, and Appa would take on Hawkgirl, just because, and I have no idea how that would go.
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« Reply #296 on: June 23, 2012, 03:30:38 pm »

Dude, the Martian Manhunter and the Flash are the two members of the Justice League that can beat Superman in a fight - not to mention the fact that the MM's fire weakness is psychological (unlike Supes' kryptonite weakness), so Zuko beating the Martian Manhunter is kind of a stretch. Toph can't counter something that moves faster than sound, and Korra is varying degrees of screwed in a fight against a Green Lantern, depending on which GL it is - considering that even in the Justice League cartoon, John Stewart manages to accidentally destroy a planet. The franchises have entirely different power levels, and that's perfectly fine - comparing them is silly. The only time a character in Avatar goes up to Justice League level (not counting Batman, who is a baseline human) is when they enter the Avatar state.

EDIT: Also good lord this proposed match up is teenagers against adults who've had years using their powers, with at least one who doesn't have the same inhibitions against killing as the others (Wonder Woman, possibly Hawkgirl). Even if they were on the same power tier, this isn't remotely a fair fight - though the kids in Avatar have trumped adults in their own series.
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« Reply #297 on: June 23, 2012, 04:08:38 pm »

Superman's got a semi-well known weakness against magic. When they're not ignoring it, Supes is supposed to be hurt by magic just as much as any human would be. I'd count bending as magic, so some well timed rocks and fireballs to the face would do some decent damage. Hell, bloodbend him, then you'd have to get Wonder Woman or someone to slow him down.

Not defending Superman's already overpowerdness (blech) but he's probably hurt by direct magic application (magic "lightning" bolts, curses, etc), not magic that launches non magical things at him. Fireballs are probably ok, rocks are iffy. I guess it depends if the thing was conjured out of nothing, or merely moved, like the flame of a bonfire or lighter a la Pyro.
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« Reply #298 on: June 23, 2012, 04:26:39 pm »

korra spoilers all over the internet

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« Reply #299 on: June 23, 2012, 04:34:40 pm »

Not defending Superman's already overpowerdness (blech)

This is tangential, but sure, Superman is overpowered... if you compare him to someone like Daredevil. Aside from comparing him to people who don't even interact on the same level as him and his buddies, he's not even the most powerful hero on the Justice League (that honor would go to the Barry Allen Flash or the Martian Manhunter). When it comes to non-earth based heroes, he can be overshadowed by the likes of the Sodam Yat Ion or the New Gods. And then you've got the score or so of villains that are the Ivan Drago to his Rocky Balboa.

And on the Marvel side you've got people that put Supes' 'overpoweredness' to shame - the Scarlet Witch, Franklin Richards, the Hulk, and Magneto are all roughly on the same level as the Flash in terms of exactly how easily they can make reality their bitch.

tl;dr, superhero universes are just overpowered in general.
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