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[Jervill]

Point.  I'm one of those who doesn't like naming of fandoms into groups.  I watch Star Trek, yet I dislike the terms Trekkie or Trekker.  Which, oddly, Firefox recognizes as legitimate terms.

[Neonivek]

Point.  I'm one of those who doesn't like naming of fandoms into groups.  I watch Star Trek, yet I dislike the terms Trekkie or Trekker.  Which, oddly, Firefox recognizes as legitimate terms.

To me being part of a "Fandom" should take a bit more then liking something, buying its stuff, and even attending events.

To the extent where if someone says they arn't a Trekkie, they simply arn't. It doesn't matter how much they fall in that group, it to me is something that has to be identifyable in the person.

[kaijyuu]

Most fandoms don't have a series of special catch phrases.

Well maybe they should.

To me being part of a "Fandom" should take a bit more then liking something, buying its stuff, and even attending events.

To the extent where if someone says they arn't a Trekkie, they simply arn't. It doesn't matter how much they fall in that group, it to me is something that has to be identifyable in the person.

To me it's a 100% opt in thing. If you identify as a member of the fandom, you are. If you don't, you aren't. No further questions asked. Any further criteria only breeds snobbishness; "true fans" and the like claiming other people aren't "true fans" just because they don't meet some arbitrary standard.

I don't care how "serious" or not someone is about what they're a fan of. If they call themselves a fan, they're a fan. Period.

[Neonivek]

Japanese history check

Is it true that at one time murder for revenge was allowed and not only that but was was later outlawed SPECIFICALLY?

[MrWiggles]

Most fandoms don't have a series of special catch phrases.

Well maybe they should.

Well, I'm convinced.

[Reelya]

Japanese history check

Is it true that at one time murder for revenge was allowed and not only that but was was later outlawed SPECIFICALLY?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revenge

In Japan's feudal past, the Samurai class upheld the honour of their family, clan, or lord through the practice of revenge killings (敵討ち katakiuchi). These killings could also involve the relatives of an offender. Today, katakiuchi is most often pursued by peaceful means, but revenge remains an important part of Japanese culture.

Feudal system, pre-dating the European-style state of modern era Japan.

Googling katakiuchi, gives a book link:

http://www.jstor.org/discover/10.2307/311761?uid=2129&uid=2&uid=70&uid=4&sid=21100983142883

It was banned in 1873

[Neonivek]

It was banned in 1873

Oddly accurate for an anime >_<

Reminds me of the anime that took place in a fictional China.

[i2amroy]

Point.  I'm one of those who doesn't like naming of fandoms into groups.  I watch Star Trek, yet I dislike the terms Trekkie or Trekker.  Which, oddly, Firefox recognizes as legitimate terms.

Trekkie shows up in the Mac Lion built-in dictionary as "a fan of the US science-fiction television program Star Trek", and Trekker is a redirect to Trekkie in the same dictionary.

I like the idea of fandom and other group names simply as a matter of convenience. I don't know about you, but in the event I ever find myself talking about a fandom I find it much easier to say something like "Trekkie" then "fans of Star Trek". So while I'm not particularly for the idea, I do give it a small amount of support.

Most fandoms don't have a series of special catch phrases.

Well maybe they should.

A surprising amount of fandoms actually do have catch phrases, some of which have even gone beyond the popularity point of being a catch phrase and have moved into common usage. It's just that the smaller a fandom is the less solid and less well-known those catchphrases are. I mean Star Trek has "Beam me up Scotty" and "Capt'n I canna hold her much longer", Star Wars has "Luke, I am your father", Gurren Laggen has the whole "my drill is the drill" thing, we all know about the MLP stuff with how widespread it is these days, Pokemon has "Gotta catch em all", Lord of the Rings has "one ring to rule them all" (though that one isn't as widespread as the others, but when the fandom starts from a book you tend to get less present catchphrases), Doctor Who has "Exterminate, Exterminate", The Simpsons has "D'Oh!" (which is one that has spread to common usage), and I could keep going but you get my point. All fandoms have catch phrases, it's just that until a fandom becomes large enough we tend to call them "references" instead of catch phrases.

[kaijyuu]

Most of those I'd put under the umbrella term of "meme." And yeah, everything with a bit of popularity spawns its own memes. I got no problem with those at all, unless it's specifically intended to take something novel and unique and make it commonplace. That's mostly a problem with jokes; who doesn't groan at Monty Python references these days?



On a less meta topic, I'm needing to catch up on the last two weeks of Scooby Doo. Something ridiculous like 10 new episodes, as they're airing 5 new ones a week.

[i2amroy]

Is that that new Mystery Incorporated thing? I saw a couple episodes of that and while I find that they do lack a bit of some of the old carefree-ness (that's an awkward word ) of the older series, I like some of the fun they poke at the old things with the character development being cool most of the time.

[kaijyuu]

New? Mystery Incorporated is now 2 years old. But yeah, that's the one. It's frickin' awesome; the highlight of the series for me so far is Fred punching out a giant baby.

[i2amroy]

It's new when you consider that the last new Scooby-Doo TV episode (not movie) was the last episode of "A Pup Named Scooby-Doo" and aired on August 17, 1991; making that 21 years as of Friday.

But yeah, I was a little out of the loop on that particular cartoon recently.

[Leafsnail]

And yeah, everything with a bit of popularity spawns its own memes. I got no problem with those at all, unless it's specifically intended to take something novel and unique and make it commonplace.

Surely every meme matches that description, unless it was already a cliché in the first place.  I don't think that would be an improvement.

[MrWiggles]

Most of those I'd put under the umbrella term of "meme." And yeah, everything with a bit of popularity spawns its own memes. I got no problem with those at all, unless it's specifically intended to take something novel and unique and make it commonplace. That's mostly a problem with jokes; who doesn't groan at Monty Python references these days?



On a less meta topic, I'm needing to catch up on the last two weeks of Scooby Doo. Something ridiculous like 10 new episodes, as they're airing 5 new ones a week.

Meme is a good descriptor for them. I was gonna label them as in-jokes. But being a second generation fan, (My mom was into Sci Fi and Fantasy and thats how I got into it.), most if not all other fandoms dont have the amount of one to one exchanges that MIL fandom has creepily decided to incorporate into their speech. Such as replacing 'pony' as a suffix for lots of words, like 'Everypony', 'Anypony', and while it cute and make sense for the show to use, its just fuckin outlandish to adopt the diction into real world. You're not a fuckin pony. (Excusing the sub culture of furries who think they are animals, and the further sub culture of furries who think they're fictional races and animals and the sub culture who think they're from fictional works and there few others out there.) Its not cute or funny to have a 20 something year old adopt such phraseology. Its creepy. You're relating to a show targeted at young girls. You're forcing a change in your speech which appeals to little girls. Its creepy.

[Frumple]

Why does age and gender mean a bloody thing when it comes to enjoyment? What's fun and pleasing is fun and pleasing. Society's age expectations for R&R can go bugger themselves with a rusty spork. If there were adult sized jungle gyms in the park, I'd be crawling around the damn things. Muttermuttermumblemumble.