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Re: Cartoon/Western Animation Thread. -- Pixar 'n stuff
« Reply #585 on: July 15, 2012, 01:44:42 pm »
Quote from: Mageziya on July 15, 2012, 01:40:34 pm
Okay, so Disney hasn't been shoveling out solid crap, but still a large amount of crap.
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Re: Cartoon/Western Animation Thread. -- Pixar 'n stuff
« Reply #586 on: July 15, 2012, 01:54:58 pm »
Most things are average or below average. Very few things are above average.
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Re: Cartoon/Western Animation Thread. -- Pixar 'n stuff
« Reply #587 on: July 15, 2012, 02:03:43 pm »
Depending how you define average, that's a tautology.
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Re: Cartoon/Western Animation Thread. -- Pixar 'n stuff
« Reply #588 on: July 15, 2012, 02:07:53 pm »
How can that be a tautology?

Over simplification maybe. Three broad categories of quality. Above Average, Average and Below Average. Most things are average, but only the noteworthy is whats really considered so 2/3 is ignored.
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Re: Cartoon/Western Animation Thread. -- Pixar 'n stuff
« Reply #589 on: July 15, 2012, 02:13:41 pm »
The disturbing part is it's mostly comparative. If everyone in the world suddenly got a whole lot better at writing fiction, 90% of everything would still be considered crap, and the justification would be that the "lesser" stuff isn't as good as <insert whatever is considered best here>.
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Re: Cartoon/Western Animation Thread. -- Pixar 'n stuff
« Reply #590 on: July 15, 2012, 02:26:10 pm »
I partially disagree. That'd definitely be true to some extent, but I think there's more reasons to dislike bad fiction than it being overshadowed or bad in comparison. If everything was better then there'd be more stuff like cult followings as people realized that the less popular stuff was still good.
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Re: Cartoon/Western Animation Thread. -- Pixar 'n stuff
« Reply #591 on: July 16, 2012, 10:18:32 am »
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I partially disagree. That'd definitely be true to some extent, but I think there's more reasons to dislike bad fiction than it being overshadowed or bad in comparison. If everything was better then there'd be more stuff like cult followings as people realized that the less popular stuff was still good.
Mmm, I'm probably just agreeing with you, here but...

The technical side would improve. There'd be less problems like plot holes/etc. But I still think the majority of what makes people say something is "good" vs "bad" is how it compares to other things. The mere existence of the term "good for its time" more or less proves that, since whatever is "good for its time" is such because it was novel and unique, and the term implies it doesn't stand up to newer things (yet still gets respect).

Compare: The 1940s Superman Cartoons vs Superman the Animated Series (made in the 1990s). I've seen both and I can say that the latter is objectively better. However, which ranks higher on "best cartoons of all time" lists? The 1940s one. If I had watched the Superman cartoons in the 40s, my jaw would've hit the goddamn floor, 'cause they're frickin' amazing compared to the rest of the cartoons of the day, not to mention taking into consideration technical limitations.

Another point to bring up, I suppose, is you can judge something's "quality" by how influential it is. You may or may not like Who Framed Roger Rabbit (most fans of early cartoons don't, so I hear), but it was hugely influential on how cartoons were viewed. It single-handedly put a humungous dent in the animation age ghetto. For that alone, one might call it "good."



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Okay so I caved and watched the first episode of Gravity Falls.



HOLY FUCK THIS IS AWESOME


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Link to first episode with some commercials (only linking this one since it has a commercial for Gravity Falls for whatever reason, which may be of interest as it explains the premise):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RE5SzzZOp0s
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Re: Cartoon/Western Animation Thread. -- Please be a vampire!
« Reply #592 on: July 16, 2012, 12:32:37 pm »
Huzzah, welcome to the....

welcome to the.....

the.....

I dunno, let's settle on fandom, for now.
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Every dwarf, every dwarven man, women, and child, that comes to our forts will die there; it's truly sad when you think about it. And we ask our selves, why? Why do we push forward, knowing this fate, that we are destined for failure? Because, this game grasps the concept of mortality. Some games you can never lose, but we all stop eventually, causing a 'death' to those game's 'worlds'. Dwarf Fortress gives us a definite end, knowing that we will leave that world eventually, and move on to more.

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Re: Cartoon/Western Animation Thread. -- Please be a vampire!
« Reply #593 on: July 16, 2012, 12:56:35 pm »
Okay episodes 2 and 3 weren't quite as good as 1, but still quite enjoyable.

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I really really really hope they continue to play up the "real or fake" mysteries with the monsters. Scooby Doo has the problem where you know the monster's always fake... if they keep you guessing here, then there's loads of potential for making it actually feel like a mystery.
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Re: Cartoon/Western Animation Thread. -- Please be a vampire!
« Reply #594 on: July 16, 2012, 01:16:02 pm »
It's interesting how well Dipper and Mable are capable of dodging and maneuvering. You wouldn't think they would be able to do that so well.

Back rolls, front rolls, side steps, ect.
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Every dwarf, every dwarven man, women, and child, that comes to our forts will die there; it's truly sad when you think about it. And we ask our selves, why? Why do we push forward, knowing this fate, that we are destined for failure? Because, this game grasps the concept of mortality. Some games you can never lose, but we all stop eventually, causing a 'death' to those game's 'worlds'. Dwarf Fortress gives us a definite end, knowing that we will leave that world eventually, and move on to more.

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Re: Cartoon/Western Animation Thread. -- Please be a vampire!
« Reply #595 on: July 16, 2012, 05:28:06 pm »
Quote from: Mageziya on July 16, 2012, 01:16:02 pm
It's interesting how well Dipper and Mable are capable of dodging and maneuvering. You wouldn't think they would be able to do that so well.

Back rolls, front rolls, side steps, ect.

They are Kid heros in a series about the supernatural.

They are kinda obligated to be masters of running and dodging.

This however will not stop a future episode where Dipper or Mable will be considered unfit and uncoordinated.
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Re: Cartoon/Western Animation Thread. -- Pixar 'n stuff
« Reply #596 on: July 16, 2012, 05:33:03 pm »
Quote from: MrWiggles on July 15, 2012, 02:07:53 pm
How can that be a tautology?

Over simplification maybe. Three broad categories of quality. Above Average, Average and Below Average. Most things are average, but only the noteworthy is whats really considered so 2/3 is ignored.

You said: "Most things are average or below average. Very few things are above average."

It's a Tautology because if everything was "awesome" that would be new "average".

It's logically impossible for "everything to be above average" because median quality is what defines "average".


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« Reply #597 on: July 16, 2012, 05:38:25 pm »
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It's logically impossible for "everything to be above average" because median quality is what defines "average".

Average can be great.

Eat that logic! Non-mutually exclusive qualifiers.
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« Reply #598 on: July 16, 2012, 06:07:37 pm »
If the average is great then it's probably not best to be judging things by how they compare to the average.
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« Reply #599 on: July 16, 2012, 07:15:40 pm »
Finished episode 6 of Gravity Falls.


This is what I feared. I WANT MORE.
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