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« Reply #2550 on: May 30, 2017, 09:34:30 pm »

Are we talking things seen in Original Seasons Jack?

No I mean the earliest flashbacks in Season 5 of the sword being lost... and the inconsistencies between that and the later flashbacks and eventual reveal.
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« Reply #2551 on: May 30, 2017, 10:40:57 pm »

Remembering as Scaramouch asks him:
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Note the green background color is often used in the scenes with his anger talking to him, his guilt flashbacks, and such.

Telling Ashi about it:
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Note that the coloring and such is accurate as it is other times Jack tells someone about something he did, like telling her earlier about his childhood.
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« Reply #2552 on: May 30, 2017, 10:44:28 pm »

If you also remember the Guardian green was a motif used there.

And if you pay attention... that it isn't just the color that is different but the entire design between both pics with only the most basic details remaining the same.

Or rather... I fully believe they originally intended Samurai Jack to have lost his sword where the Guardian was (with the guardian likely being dead from Aku... VERY possibly after Jack won Aku swooped in, killed the guardian, and destroyed the gate)
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« Reply #2553 on: May 31, 2017, 04:17:25 am »

According to Genndy himself he would have much rather had a coherent story, but [adult swim] forced him to make it more episodic so episodes could be shown out of order on reruns.

Urist really said it all a few months back. Technically old series was on CN, but boy, did they have an obscene amounts of reruns of SJ back then. Same logic applied, I believe.
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« Reply #2554 on: May 31, 2017, 01:54:09 pm »

Whoops, I did indeed mean CN.

and Max sums it up pretty well (with evidence to boot!)
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« Reply #2555 on: July 05, 2017, 08:35:45 pm »

Some Rick and Morty Promos

Season 3 Trailer

July 30th can't come soon enough!
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« Reply #2556 on: July 06, 2017, 02:30:11 am »

I have a little list of animated series I'm looking forward to seeing this summer. Here goes:

Rick and Morty (season 3, July 30th)
BoJack Horseman (season 4, August 22nd)
Star vs The Forces of Evil (season 3, July 15th)

There is also SU that'll probably drop a few more eps this summer, but I couldn't find the dates.
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« Reply #2557 on: July 11, 2017, 09:55:33 am »

The new Castlevania series is oddly anti-church.

The game series tended to have a very neutral stance with them being both the villain and in some ways the solution with religious characters running the gambit. One of the characters in the show, for example, is actually a member of the church in the games and was sheltered by them against witch hunters... In the games... In the show the character is not religious (which means she is good. Religious people are evil, non-religious people are good... Which is odd given Belmont)

Bonus points that Lisa, a woman who was described as "Like the Virgin Mary", is also not religious. In fact she was the most not religious meaning she was also the most good person of them all.

Likewise the little changes are very interesting. Alucard SO FAR seems to have had a bit of his personality removed and most of his backstory excised (likely because this is an ensemble piece)

The two major changes to Alucard are

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I should note I am not bugged by the Anti-Church Sentiment (except maybe that it is an overused trope)... it is just WEEEEIIIRD given the source where they weaponized Christianity.

The Alucard stuff bugs me slightly, but I recognize the nessisity to diminish his role, make him more sympathetic and less complicated, as well as make his personality stick out more.
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« Reply #2558 on: July 14, 2017, 06:56:49 am »

Wait, what? Alucard has never worked for Dracula, I'm pretty sure.
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« Reply #2559 on: July 14, 2017, 07:51:02 am »

Wait, what? Alucard has never worked for Dracula, I'm pretty sure.

The way it worked in the games is that Alucard was originally loyal to Dracula but that weight of his mother's death weighed heavily on his mind (He experienced her death) until he decided to stop Dracula himself.

Mind you this is all backstory since by the time the proper game starts he is already on your side.

The show makes him a lot more sympathetic towards humanity and his mother's teachings. While in the games he didn't care for humanity and it was only his mother's final wishes that actually pushed him over the edge.

I suspect this was done because it would take too much attention away from everyone else, and it would really kill his sympathy.

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At least that is how I read it. I might need to reread it.
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« Reply #2560 on: July 14, 2017, 09:58:26 am »

I can't wait for more Castlevania.  I enjoyed the hell out of it, but why just four episodes!?!

Edit:  I don't really think it was anti-church.  I mean holy water blessed by a priest was effective against the monsters, so its not really a "religion is evil" kind of thing.  Its just that one asshole priest(bishop?) who lost his marbles fucked everything up.
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« Reply #2561 on: July 14, 2017, 10:43:57 am »

Its just that one asshole priest(bishop?) who lost his marbles fucked everything up.

Well... Only one non-name minister was "good" who wasn't part of the church but was simply ordained.

Outside of that we have one Archbishop who is evil and is hinted to be a rapist. A Bishop, soon to be Pope, who advocated genocide. All the priests actually shown. Twats in a bar.

One of the characters who explicitly worked for the church has been rewritten to not and is now part of a non-religious group of science and reason against religion who are persecuted by the church. The Church's active participation in the story has been written out for a narrative where they are trying to purge the sinners (Which isn't ENTIRELY inaccurate, but in a weird twist the games had more nuance)

They also rewritten another character who had SOME religious affiliation to have none and have no religious attitudes, in fact anti-religious attitudes.

It is more that anyone who is religious in this show so far is evil... and anyone who out specifically non-religious (or anti-religious) is good. Even to the extent of rewriting characters to accommodate this shift.

It is a WEEEIRD juxtaposition for Castlevania.

It would be like if they made an Adaption of Harry Potter where anyone who likes magic is evil... and only people who want to stop magic are good... And they rewritten Harry Potter to be the most anti-magic person around. It isn't a bad idea for a book it is just weird for a Harry Potter adaptation.

Maybe I am wrong and Belmont is actually religious and a future episode will demonstrate this.
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« Reply #2562 on: July 14, 2017, 10:52:28 am »

I'd bet that he was religious, but at least partially lost faith after he was excommunicated.  He'll probably regain his faith as the show goes on, culminating in getting the holy cross weapon. :P :D

I never actually played Castlevania 3(mostly just played the ones from SOTN and on), so I'm not super familiar with the lore in that one.  In fact, most of the lore I know comes from this highly educational video.
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« Reply #2563 on: July 14, 2017, 11:09:07 am »

I mean if they are setting up a True Faith theme... They are doing an excellent job. Showing a bastardization of faith early on and bombarding the audience with every inclination to despise religion, or at least the religion being presented.

As I said it isn't bad, it is just... weird.

Also you should look at a picture of Dracula before he was Dracula... WOW! did he have an intense face.
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« Reply #2564 on: July 23, 2017, 01:18:08 am »

Seen the newest season of Star Versus the Forces of Evil.

Satisfying season and no anticlimax.

Though GOODNESS do I seriously wonder if Glosseric has emotions or not. I mean he said he has no feelings...
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