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Neonivek

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« Reply #2370 on: March 21, 2017, 02:31:26 am »

I don't know why you would think that when the series as a whole went out of its way to show what Jack was killing, machines and magical abominations.  He spared every thinking creature he fought, unless it was a demon.

Well... his first move against the Scottsman was to lop off his head.

Then attempted to disembowel him... and then when his defenses were too strong... tried to break his sword.

It isn't that Jack was out for blood. It is that he understood what he had to do in the heat of battle and didn't hold back... and only as much as needed (he ONLY killed one non-combatant to my knowledge... and not willfully)

He wasn't a pacifist.

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I wonder what the chances that these people are Jack's children are.
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« Reply #2371 on: March 21, 2017, 08:09:11 am »

Technically speaking, originally it was a censorship limitation that Jack actually could not kill another human. This was mostly down to the fact that they weren't allowed to show blood and gore. Obvo, I'm sure that Genndy would have liked a lot of what Jack did destroy/kill/blow up to have been biological, but it seems like they'd rather keep continuity with the show as it was. Which is rad.
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« Reply #2372 on: March 21, 2017, 08:20:28 am »

You're misremembering things, Neo.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pY4RAtFftR0

He killed Jack's hat, Jack killed his bagpipe, parried and dodged numerous strikes from what was clearly a very strong opponent and forced them to defend by aiming a neckshot.
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« Reply #2373 on: March 21, 2017, 08:45:50 am »

He did kill one guy by turning him into leaves, to be fair (Episode 49: The Four Seasons of Death). But other than that, all the times you see him slashing at organics you can assume them to be disabling/crippling blows, not killing. Even if it seems unlikely they'd survive that or if there's an explosion short after that should have done them in, Jack didn't kill them. That's what word of god states (and has always stated, this isn't a retcon).
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« Reply #2374 on: March 21, 2017, 08:55:42 am »

I was stoked at the quality of this season's opener, but episode two blew me out of the water, I mean... depending on how the rest of the season goes, this is a masterpiece on par, or even exceeding Avatar TLA.
How do you all watch this! D:
I've only seen the trailer and my inner child just hopped into the front and wanted to see it firsthand (just like...most things I miss thanks to time >_> and timezones)

I don't know why you would think that when the series as a whole went out of its way to show what Jack was killing, machines and magical abominations.  He spared every thinking creature he fought, unless it was a demon.

Well... his first move against the Scottsman was to lop off his head.

Then attempted to disembowel him... and then when his defenses were too strong... tried to break his sword.

It isn't that Jack was out for blood. It is that he understood what he had to do in the heat of battle and didn't hold back... and only as much as needed (he ONLY killed one non-combatant to my knowledge... and not willfully)

He wasn't a pacifist.

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I wonder what the chances that these people are Jack's children are.
There's a tad bit of a difference between being a pacifist and having a code to follow in what you do :P
Like when I saw Jack and the Scotsman out first, I figured they were testing each other out even if the blows seemed aimed at each other's bodies and all. One can actually wield a sword in a way to not kill.
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« Reply #2375 on: March 21, 2017, 09:45:14 am »

I'm pretty sure Jack just takes a -4 penalty to his attack roll to deal nonlethal damage.

He must have flubbed his Knowledge (Arcana) check against constructs to think dem curves was robobootay though.
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« Reply #2376 on: March 21, 2017, 10:34:01 am »

Might have been expecting something like the Sirens (who were also, fully equipped... at least some of the time, and killed brutally) or worse, Ikra V2.0.

Though, can we all appreciate how gorgeous that art is?
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The grain effect wasn't something I noticed on tv, gotta be way up close.
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« Reply #2377 on: March 21, 2017, 11:08:04 am »

I was stoked at the quality of this season's opener, but episode two blew me out of the water, I mean... depending on how the rest of the season goes, this is a masterpiece on par, or even exceeding Avatar TLA.
How do you all watch this! D:
I've only seen the trailer and my inner child just hopped into the front and wanted to see it firsthand (just like...most things I miss thanks to time >_> and timezones)

I've been bingewatching a lot of television lately as I move from film writer to tv writer in my film major--specifically towards cartoons. I watched some Samurai Jack cause I hadn't seen it when I was small and then BOOM, I watched the trailer for the new season--literally, without exaggeration, maybe 50 times--and it was so good... I knew I would be hopelessly on edge for the show.
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« Reply #2378 on: March 21, 2017, 04:32:44 pm »

Guys. Saumrai Jack Season 4 episode 11 (Story of X9). See it and tell me you did not think "John Wick" at least once. Resemblance is uncanny at times.

... I'm rewatching some of the old seasons.
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« Reply #2379 on: March 21, 2017, 04:33:33 pm »

Guys. Saumrai Jack Season 4 episode 11 (Story of X9). See it and tell me you did not think "John Wick" at least once.

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« Reply #2380 on: March 21, 2017, 04:34:54 pm »

Nope. Doesn't make me think of that at all.  Because I have no idea who or what the hell John Wick is, nor do I care.
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« Reply #2381 on: March 21, 2017, 04:36:28 pm »

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« Reply #2382 on: March 21, 2017, 04:37:24 pm »

Nope. Doesn't make me think of that at all.  Because I have no idea who or what the hell John Wick is, nor do I care.

For others that may be wondering, it's an action movie. Also, I'm caught up on Steven Universe again.

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« Reply #2383 on: March 21, 2017, 04:40:56 pm »

He did kill one guy by turning him into leaves, to be fair (Episode 49: The Four Seasons of Death). But other than that, all the times you see him slashing at organics you can assume them to be disabling/crippling blows, not killing. Even if it seems unlikely they'd survive that or if there's an explosion short after that should have done them in, Jack didn't kill them. That's what word of god states (and has always stated, this isn't a retcon).

A Retcon is "Retroactive continuity" if the word of god is supplying information that supplies information or changes information to the past... that is what it is :P

Unless I guess it is a clarification on something that was very unclear.

Which frankly... Person gets slashed, falls down, isn't moving, isn't breathing, never shows up again, and Samurai Jack SPECIFICALLY spares someone else... Is kind of... not unclear. It is just this weird assumption of "Well you didn't actually SEE their internal organs on the outside, that means they are alive".

I mean it is a LOT more clear then Jet's kind of... honestly official death (mostly because... He was dying and how the heck could he have survived that?)

and forced them to defend by aiming a neckshot.

I dunno he seemed pretty surprised he blocked that.

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« Reply #2384 on: March 21, 2017, 05:18:40 pm »

Hrrm, the link to the big beautiful picture of Jack's first victim didn't work right, so here's one I put on imgur:
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Click for the full size where you can see the canvas texture!

Also, it looked more like the Scotsman noticed this was a dangerous attack and as another superwarrior hasn't had that sort of thing happen in a while.
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