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Re: Cartoon/Western Animation Thread. -- Bill is watching.
« Reply #2115 on: August 19, 2016, 07:25:50 pm »

I also recommend Bojack Horseman. Just finished the first season and enjoyed it a lot.

Also, I can find no connection between Steven Universe and the creator of We Bare Bears.
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« Reply #2116 on: August 19, 2016, 07:52:24 pm »

Also, I can find no connection between Steven Universe and the creator of We Bare Bears.

Ah, you are correct, that's my bad. Both shows do share several voice actors and I got confused, but the creation teams are totally different.
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« Reply #2117 on: August 19, 2016, 08:16:02 pm »

WBB is so damn cute it's disgusting, and I totally forgot Rick and Morty because much like Venture Bros you should already be watching it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SO8LK_Ql6Lw
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« Reply #2118 on: September 02, 2016, 09:20:39 pm »

Well with Steven Universe going on Hiatus again

I have to say the show's writing is starting to take a serious quality hit... and not overall... just for one specific reason

No One Cares

I honestly feel like if this season happened in the first it would be handled entirely differently. Jasper was treated so casually, Steven's new powers were completely ignored, and the overall threat is just treated as nothing special.

As well the disconnect between Beach City and the Gems has grown so wide lately that as a friend said. "At this point they could be two entirely different shows"... I mean I understand that they were always meant to be separate... but Beach City is sort of supposed to be the "Why the Crystal Gems are so important" where Steven gets his inspiration to try so hard... but no.

The last time Beach City was even important to a Gem plot... took place on the beach FAR away from anyone... Didn't even as much as leave a crater in the beach.

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As well the latest episode really had no reason to exist... which is a shame because I'd love to have the new character actually join the cast... but nope... This episode was completely pointless and had nonsense twists and turns (in fact... It being so out of character and nonsense was the joke... Garnet was completely out of character was the joke)
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« Reply #2119 on: September 02, 2016, 09:26:18 pm »

Well with Steven Universe going on Hiatus again

What? Next episode is airing in 6 days.

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« Reply #2120 on: September 05, 2016, 09:04:01 pm »

I also recommend Bojack Horseman. Just finished the first season and enjoyed it a lot.

Just finished season 3 of Bojack Horseman. Holy shit, this show just keeps building.
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« Reply #2121 on: September 06, 2016, 03:09:54 am »

I liked Future Boy Zoltron quite a lot, I loved Mindful Education, and Buddy's Book was good too.

Know Your Fusion and Kindergarten Kid were both very silly and felt as though they were a bit of a take five for the end of the release block.
I certainly feel more could have been made of Jasper's corruption.


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« Reply #2122 on: September 06, 2016, 10:43:13 am »

I certainly feel more could have been made of Jasper's corruption.

It might be made into something more in the future. They got like two more seasons secured with CN.
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« Reply #2123 on: September 06, 2016, 12:55:20 pm »

Spoiler: Hergé pls (click to show/hide)
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« Reply #2124 on: September 06, 2016, 02:35:53 pm »

Well with Steven Universe going on Hiatus again
I have to say the show's writing is starting to take a serious quality hit... and not overall... just for one specific reason
No One Cares
I honestly feel like if this season happened in the first it would be handled entirely differently. Jasper was treated so casually, Steven's new powers were completely ignored, and the overall threat is just treated as nothing special.

SU was a very casual show from the beginning. It wasn't until about 25 episodes in that we got more than vague hints about the greater story arcs. And even at the height of drama, every second or third episode took a break from the action for a casual look at everyday life of the gems.
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« Reply #2125 on: September 06, 2016, 04:41:35 pm »

Well with Steven Universe going on Hiatus again
I have to say the show's writing is starting to take a serious quality hit... and not overall... just for one specific reason
No One Cares
I honestly feel like if this season happened in the first it would be handled entirely differently. Jasper was treated so casually, Steven's new powers were completely ignored, and the overall threat is just treated as nothing special.

SU was a very casual show from the beginning. It wasn't until about 25 episodes in that we got more than vague hints about the greater story arcs. And even at the height of drama, every second or third episode took a break from the action for a casual look at everyday life of the gems.

When Steven showed ANY power all the characters dropped everything and dealt with it.

Now Steven basically is the overmind, which has SERIOUS implications, and "Meh, so what?"

As well whenever there was a threat and they didn't deal with it immediately in the first season it was usually because Garnet could foresee its movements... They were going insane when they thought homeworld was coming AND when Malecite was around they went on expeditions constantly (usually offscreen) to try to find her.

Jasper? PFT who cares about her?

So, I am going to correct you on those points. It was casual but it never reached the levels of "Unmotivated protagonist syndrome".
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« Reply #2126 on: September 06, 2016, 10:42:28 pm »

Well with Steven Universe going on Hiatus again
I have to say the show's writing is starting to take a serious quality hit... and not overall... just for one specific reason
No One Cares
I honestly feel like if this season happened in the first it would be handled entirely differently. Jasper was treated so casually, Steven's new powers were completely ignored, and the overall threat is just treated as nothing special.

SU was a very casual show from the beginning. It wasn't until about 25 episodes in that we got more than vague hints about the greater story arcs. And even at the height of drama, every second or third episode took a break from the action for a casual look at everyday life of the gems.

Jasper? PFT who cares about her?


Are you seriously saying this when Bismuth was the only episode interrupting an arc that lasted almost a dozen episodes focused on Jasper?

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« Reply #2127 on: September 06, 2016, 11:53:13 pm »

Are you seriously saying this when Bismuth was the only episode interrupting an arc that lasted almost a dozen episodes focused on Jasper?

How many of those involved even mildly even remotely looking for Jasper even if it was a throw away line?: 0
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« Reply #2128 on: September 07, 2016, 02:14:19 am »

Are you seriously saying this when Bismuth was the only episode interrupting an arc that lasted almost a dozen episodes focused on Jasper?

How many of those involved even mildly even remotely looking for Jasper even if it was a throw away line?: 0

This is true, if you completely ignore Alone at Sea, Gem Hunt, Crack the Whip, Steven Vs. Amethyst, Beta and Earthlings.

You may notice that I skipped two episodes there: Greg the Babysitter and Bismuth. Of the episodes I listed, only Steven Vs. Amethyst doesn't literally feature Jasper (though the plot is entirely driven by Amethyst's wanting to beat her). Greg the Babysitter is basically a flashback episode. Bismuth is the only episode that takes place after Jasper reappears in Alone at Sea that fits your complaint. The only one.
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« Reply #2129 on: September 07, 2016, 02:21:05 am »

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This is true, if you completely ignore Alone at Sea, Gem Hunt, Crack the Whip, Steven Vs. Amethyst, Beta and Earthlings.

Did... I watch a completely different version of these episodes from you? None of those episodes feature looking for Jasper in any sense.

Though if there really was a throw away line "We looked for Jasper, we didn't find her" I'd really like to know.

Since the shows slide towards "Meh, who cares?" is starting to drive me crazy. I swear there is going to be an episode where a Diamond shows up, followed by an episode where the Gems don't even acknowledge she is even here.

And I understand why from a writing standpoint this is happening. Because they want to lighten on the drama since we already had a long stretch of episodes involving extreme paranoia and worry out of the Gems and they don't want to thrust us back into that because of Jasper...

I have no issue with them not wetting their pants because Jasper is on earth. Yet they didn't just drop the tension, they dropped ALL tension and didn't even give the slightest nod to someone who, up to this point, is the greatest enemy the Gems ever fought on the show.

This is Mermaid Melody Season 2 all over again! Except... ok... not AS bad (as Jasper is no where close as threatening as the villain in that and at least Amethyst is training to beat her, partially at least)

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Anyhow I'll explain the concept of Unmotivated Protagonists later... Mermaid Melody Season 2 will always be my primary example of this... but I'll give a basic rundown of what happens.

In Mermaid Melody Season 2 a new villain appears who not only can withstand our main character's full attacks but can also defeat them quite easily. In fact the only reason he doesn't kill them is because his crippling health problems forces him to retreat.

Mermaid Melody Season 1 also featured a powerful opponent who was more then a match for the mermaids, in fact I believe he didn't have crippling health problems.

The difference is in Season 1 the entire plot revolved around the villain and the entire reason the mermaids live on land is a way to not only escape from the villain but also so the villain won't destroy their homes trying to get to them.

In Season 2 while they will acknowledge the villain exists... They do not try to find out who the villain is, where he is, or how to defeat him in anyway... All the stupid plots that mean much less then him are put into the limelight... The mermaids don't even do the bare minimum and team up.

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And no having Jasper appear a lot doesn't count.

In Season 2 of Mermaid Melody every single episode dealt with the main villain (though to admit, I am not aware if they knew the connection between all the villains)
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