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[smeeprocket]

So did someone say Nickelodeon pulled those episodes or what?

[WillowLuman]

Nah, Nick pulled the entire show off the air and moved it to online hosting due to their bungling with Season 3.

[Neonivek]

discriminatory? yes. Racist? no.

I do not perceive much variation from one anime to the next, and the artstyle feels like a different take on things by the same artist ad nauseum.

And I think it is safe to say that a lot of anime depicts women horribly. They definitely fall into an always passive/submissive role.

What!?! Wait WHAT!?! *Checks the thread topic* DANG I can't retort this is the western animation thread.

Also western animation also depicts women horribly anyhow

Assuming this is the same "West" that created Sky from Carl Squared... Who is the typical "Unpleasable Girlfriend" archtype.

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What about the blushing? Wasn't there some obvious blushing somewhere?

I might just be underestimating my shipping tendencies.

There were plenty of signs that don't fit what people in... let's say mainstream relationships aren't prepared to detect.

But it started being a thing that looked like more than just teasing between Seasons 3 and 4 (with a few scenes building it up in 3).

No, I watched the entire thing carefully. They couldn't do any real signs because that would have affected the ratings. All the "Hints" were things that she would have done without any romance involved.

And this is also Legend of Korra... They don't do "Subtle" Romance.

Though given that it was the best handled Romance on the entire show ANYHOW because the series does nothing but romance tumors.

Baolin's second romance being the WORST romance type that PLAGUES western animation... the "Unpleasable Girlfriend you have to change yourself to please her and do everything in your power to do things for" Girlfriend and I honestly don't dislike her character but I dislike her so immensely whenever they are coupled together.

Seriously Baolin's FIRST romance was better handled because at least in that they later reveal that Baolin actually liked the way he was treated, he just was too scared to admit he was in love even to himself.

Ohh look Baolin didn't have to prove himself to his first romance either, he never had to do tests of loyalty, and they were actually shown to enjoy spending time together.

And no I didn't want him to end up with either of them... But when the joke romance that made Baolin so unhappy ends up being the superior romance go back to the writing board.

[smeeprocket]

I've always been confused by the anger of otakus over people not liking anime and criticizing it.

If someone tells me the Simpsons sucks, I don't freak out, I go "okay". If someone says american cartoons suck it doesn't bother me.

[Bauglir]

Yeah, but people can attach value to different things arbitrarily and your own experiences don't define anybody else's. You know this. You also know that there's a marked social difference between asking a question like that in a vacuum, and asking it right after you've done the thing which upsets people for reasons you don't understand.

[smeeprocket]

Yeah, but people can attach value to different things arbitrarily and your own experiences don't define anybody else's. You know this. You also know that there's a marked social difference between asking a question like that in a vacuum, and asking it right after you've done the thing which upsets people for reasons you don't understand.

I think criticizing something or saying you are not a fan, especially when it is cartoons, shouldn't create a hostile response.

I mean I don't like WoW either, but no one flips about that.

[Neonivek]

Yeah, but people can attach value to different things arbitrarily and your own experiences don't define anybody else's. You know this. You also know that there's a marked social difference between asking a question like that in a vacuum, and asking it right after you've done the thing which upsets people for reasons you don't understand.

I think criticizing something or saying you are not a fan, especially when it is cartoons, shouldn't create a hostile response.

I mean I don't like WoW either, but no one flips about that.

Ok, I'll meet you halfway here.

"I don't like videogames, they are too violent and lets face it... Most of them are murder simulators. In fact there is very little difference between the gameplay of videogames"

To someone who has a very passing knowledge of videogames... Yeah this might fly.

[smeeprocket]

Yeah, but people can attach value to different things arbitrarily and your own experiences don't define anybody else's. You know this. You also know that there's a marked social difference between asking a question like that in a vacuum, and asking it right after you've done the thing which upsets people for reasons you don't understand.

I think criticizing something or saying you are not a fan, especially when it is cartoons, shouldn't create a hostile response.

I mean I don't like WoW either, but no one flips about that.

Ok, I'll meet you halfway here.

"I don't like videogames, they are too violent and lets face it... Most of them are murder simulators. In fact there is very little difference between the gameplay of videogames"

this statement does not bother me, though why are you on a video game forum (for a game that is rife with murder)

[WillowLuman]

I've always been confused by the anger of otakus over people not liking anime and criticizing it.

If someone tells me the Simpsons sucks, I don't freak out, I go "okay". If someone says american cartoons suck it doesn't bother me.

(Ninja'd 3 times)
That's just what fans are like. Fans, to some extent, make the fandom part of their identity. Though, to be honest, the disrespecting women thing is kinda true of media in general. For more specific gripes about the genre, I'm with you on the stylistic problems.

But, again, there's a separate thread for anime. Korra/Avatar doesn't go there, because while at first glance it may seem like an anime, it's really not.

[Neonivek]

this statement does not bother me, though why are you on a video game forum (for a game that is rife with murder)

Ok then.

Blanket statements about a medium that is rather untrue of the whole or indistinct from other mediums that the person is indirectly referring to makes me mad.

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But since we are on the topic of how much better Western Animation is...

I am trying to think of a single Romance in the Avatar Series that ever felt... well handled.

Aang and Kitara definitely wasn't handled well and was rather jarring. Mako and Korra became a TORTURE! Mako and Asumi would have been great but the dialog always felt like "Hey, can we make Korra seem more desirable?".

[smeeprocket]

this statement does not bother me, though why are you on a video game forum (for a game that is rife with murder)

Ok then.

Blanket statements about a medium that is rather untrue of the whole or indistinct from other mediums that the person is indirectly referring to makes me mad.

I think perhaps you get too riled up about stuff if that is the case, and I am personally a pretty rage-y person

[Bauglir]

Do I really need to explain to you, of all people, why the value people place on the stories and narratives they prefer is valid and important? You clearly think video game narratives (for instance) including a measure of diversity and representation of people who are typically dehumanized is something worth fighting for. Video game narratives are, apparently, important to you. What's different about anime to somebody who cares about it?

Given that people are allowed to care about it, what's wrong with a hostile response when somebody attacks it apropos of absolutely nothing?

I mean, I absolutely agree that problems exist (my belief is that anime is no worse than Western mainstream media, which isn't exactly a high bar), but that's entirely beside the point that you're derailing a thread for no other reason than to pick a fight. This isn't asking uncomfortable questions, isn't unsettling the status quo, isn't protecting the oppressed. It's just being a bad member of the community.

It doesn't matter how much I agree with your view of the world. It doesn't matter what differences of opinion I might have as to the particulars. It doesn't matter that problems really do exist and need solving. This isn't an LGBT-oriented forum. Not every conversation is going to be seen through that lens, and trying to force it to be is not going to help.

Please, do respond to me. I don't want you to feel like I'm shutting down your opinions or dismissing the validity of your perspective on irrelevant technical grounds. I don't want to be "mansplaining" the way the world works. But please respond by PM so that we don't derail this thread any further.

[smeeprocket]

Do I really need to explain to you, of all people, why the value people place on the stories and narratives they prefer is valid and important? You clearly think video game narratives (for instance) including a measure of diversity and representation of people who are typically dehumanized is something worth fighting for. Video game narratives are, apparently, important to you. What's different about anime to somebody who cares about it?

Given that people are allowed to care about it, what's wrong with a hostile response when somebody attacks it apropos of absolutely nothing?

I mean, I absolutely agree that problems exist (my belief is that anime is no worse than Western mainstream media, which isn't exactly a high bar), but that's entirely beside the point that you're derailing a thread for no other reason than to pick a fight. This isn't asking uncomfortable questions, isn't unsettling the status quo, isn't protecting the oppressed. It's just being a bad member of the community.

It doesn't matter how much I agree with your view of the world. It doesn't matter what differences of opinion I might have as to the particulars. It doesn't matter that problems really do exist and need solving. This isn't an LGBT-oriented forum. Not every conversation is going to be seen through that lens, and trying to force it to be is not going to help.

Please, do respond to me. I don't want you to feel like I'm shutting down your opinions or dismissing the validity of your perspective on irrelevant technical grounds. I don't want to be "mansplaining" the way the world works. But please respond by PM so that we don't derail this thread any further.

dude, it'a anime, not a rights struggle, and I'm not trying to pick a fight with you. If you want to talk about better women representation in anime, I am with you in that fight.

Also, don't make an argument publicly and then tell me to respond via pm.

Actually looking at this you are also dredging up the female in games arguments we had in a passive aggressive fashion. That thread is locked, don't cross-contaminate.

[Bauglir]

Ah, you're right about the PM thing. Should've just done it myself. Sorry about that - it is done. Also sorry the cross-contamination thing felt hypocritical - since I was talking directly to you and didn't expect the reference to be controversial, seeing as the actual issues involved are utterly irrelevant to what I was saying, it didn't occur to me that it would be a problem. What I expected isn't actually a good excuse for what you experienced, though. So, again, sorry about that - what I just said is an explanation for your information, not an excuse for my benefit.

[smeeprocket]

back on topic, ed, edd and eddy, best show or best show ever?