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[Glowcat]

Anyway, getting off the pony train before it ends up drawing us along on a ride that ends up with passenger casualties and Toady getting involved, I'm reasonably interested in Wreck-It Ralph.  I fear my inner nerd would nitpick it apart though, especially if it got things obviously wrong in a game I'm a fan of.

The games most of the action takes place in and main characters are all original (with some obvious influences). There are plenty of references, especially to older games, and humor that plays off them but there's still a plotline/story that takes most of the focus and was itself rather good in my opinion. If you're going to catch a movie at all this season I'd recommend this one.

[Neonivek]

Watched Riders of Berk.

It was rather painful and I understand why.

They basically reverse a LOT of what happened in the movie including
-1) Hiccup is no longer considered an adult (Even though that whole ritual IS a ritual meant to signify that you are an adult)
-2) Hiccup is untrusting of his father, again...
-3) Everyone basically forgot everything about what happened in that movie.
-4) Dragons were let to run around but weren't actually adopted by the populous... essentially making them more like vermin.
-5) SEVERAL IQ drops... In fact Dragons drop from being Semi-intelligent (if not fully intelligent) back to animal intelligence.

The problem I have is it sort of reverses a lot of what happens in that movie.. and even what happened before.

Honestly what is with TV show continuations of movies and basically ignoring the movie they are based on in order to create conflict?

The second episode is weird too... It is an entire episode of GREAT ideas that don't work because the characters involved arn't the same characters from the movie so to speak (With HUGE IQ drops). It even had a great premise too.

I don't know how to describe it as it is the ONLY time I ever seen this happen in a show. Where there is a great premise for an episode and the characters suggest nothing but GREAT ideas that should work but don't because they show keeps inventing flaws the character never had before.

Instead of being vague I'll just say what happens.

The Blacksmith from the movie basically has no job now that there are no more dragons to kill and the premise of the episode is that Hiccup is trying to find him something to do. It actually makes a lot of sense and is a good set up. Afterall we are dealing with someone whos livelyhood and what they love to do is taken away from them (even though they forget he can make more then weapons and thus could find work doing non-weapons... but yeah they stupified him). The first idea is that he could be an aid for the Chief, which is a great idea, but he was turned into a baffoon so it didn't work. Their second idea was to use his knowledge of dragons for the academy, a great idea afterall other then Hiccup no one knows more about dragons then he does, but again he is stupid now so it doesn't work. Then they come up with the plan of actually using his skills and having him make saddles something he MORE then should be able to do and he still fails.

It is like the episode is INVENTING reasons why he cannot possibly succeed.

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Now as far as the show itself is concerned with respect to its OWN merits... to the point where I'll just pretend the movie never happened (and you might as well given all the changes they made)

It is an alright thing to watch if it is on TV. It sort of lacks anything really special to make you want to go out and watch it.

It doesn't really explore dragons too much, it doesn't explore characters too much (Episode 2 is essentially retconned immediately), It doesn't explore or flesh out the setting too much, the action is weak, and most of the characters are just incredibly stupid and confound every single issue, and the drama is artificial and forced.

In otherwords it is just your standard everyday mediocre cartoon that somehow features dragons. It isn't that I am surprised it is that... well... this show done right could have been kinda cool. Maybe I kinda wanted a cool dragon training cartoon. >_>

[Mr Space Cat]

I'm not that surprised really. I gave up hope on the How to Train Your Dragon movie at first since I disliked massive plot change that is making Toothless a much larger dragon than the little green cat-sized dragon he originally was in the book series. I still dislike it, since I feel the atmosphere is much different from the books as well, and overall I just dislike the Hollywood interpretation.

The book's universe to me seemed much glummer and grimmer, but also fairly ridiculous. Many of the characters stink of fish or are ugly, or stupid, or obnoxiously incompetently corrupt. Almost everyone seemed to be scumbags, and Hiccup is just that one guy who suffered the blunt of it. The movie was just too jarringly cheerful and hopeful that I just don't like it.

Add that to the fact that shows based off movies never seem to work well. Now add this to the fact it's basically a tv series based off a movie that's based off a book series. I think there's just too much travel between the author to the movie producers to the show producers and as a result much of the concept's material is lost in translation.

[kaenneth]

My opinion of the movie should be obvious. But I haven't read the book.

[Neonivek]

Don't get me wrong I didn't like the movie all that much either (It was alright, but not the super fantastical amazing people said it was). Mostly because so many characters are thrown aside for Hiccup... Ohh boy does the Female Love Interest get the short end of the stick in that movie ("Yeah you know all that character we gave you? Well we are going to throw it ALL away because you, as a character who isn't Hiccup, are completely unimportant. Feel free to not care that your entire life was a lie and that you are now basically worthless in the eyes of your people. Instead feel free to be perfectly alright with this, perfectly inept, ohh and make sure that you mess up plenty so Hiccup can save you")

Also oddly enough I had completely forgotten it was based off a book even when I watched the movie.

Though it certainly explains why all the dragons seem A LOT like cats... I always thought that was just a cheap tactic to make the dragons more adorable... apperantly that was in the original book too.

Add that to the fact that shows based off movies never seem to work well. Now add this to the fact it's basically a tv series based off a movie that's based off a book series. I think there's just too much travel between the author to the movie producers to the show producers and as a result much of the concept's material is lost in translation

Look it ONLY had to do one thing right and that was Dragons.

It didn't do that.

It isn't like the Kung Fu Panda cartoon where they had to string along a stupid comic relief character (Dang it Po! You are SOOO annoying!) and require everyone else to be worse to balance it out and thus it was doomed at the start. (Mind you... that show sucks because it just isn't a good show period. It really does NOTHING right)

[kaijyuu]

I fucking love Kung Fu Panda

Haven't seen the TV series though. First two movies are awesome, and I can't wait for the third.

[Neonivek]

I fucking love Kung Fu Panda

Haven't seen the TV series though. First two movies are awesome, and I can't wait for the third.

I can say with absolute certainty... that the TV show actually has the ability to retroactively make you hate the movies just by seeing it.

It is that dull and boring and annoying. I suggest it to no one. Unless you like watching EVERYONE be dumber then Po.

[Furtuka]

Just came back from Wreck it Ralph. It was very cute, pretty fun, but I felt unsatisfied a bit by how it didn't seem to take advantage of the premise as much as they could have, also it had a pretty small main cast

Edit: Er... Meant to post in another topic. Ah well close enough

[kaijyuu]

What other topic? The happy thread? xD

I'd definitely consider a 3d animated movie to be "western animation." So yes, close enough

[Neonivek]

What other topic? The happy thread? xD

I'd definitely consider a 3d animated movie to be "western animation." So yes, close enough

Maybe it was supposed to go in "Nitpicks that ruined movies"

Not sure how.

[Furtuka]

Yeah I meant to post in the happies.

[Mr Space Cat]

So I watched the season 3 premiere of MLP:FIM last night. It was pretty cool.

I didn't really enjoy all the songs that just came out of nowhere during the episode. One moment they're talking, the next it's suddenly a musical. The design of the Crystal Empire was pretty neat, from a aesthetic point of view, but there wasn't much explanation for the new villain, and the ending just seemed sudden and without closure.

The Crystal Fair song was cool though. The Empire's design really reminds me of Saruman's tower of Isengard, heh.

Spoiler: Saruman approves of the Crystal Empire! (click to show/hide)

[Theoboldi]

So I watched the season 3 premiere of MLP:FIM last night. It was pretty cool.

I didn't really enjoy all the songs that just came out of nowhere during the episode. One moment they're talking, the next it's suddenly a musical. The design of the Crystal Empire was pretty neat, from a aesthetic point of view, but there wasn't much explanation for the new villain, and the ending just seemed sudden and without closure.

The Crystal Fair song was cool though. The Empire's design really reminds me of Saruman's tower of Isengard, heh.

Spoiler: Saruman approves of the Crystal Empire! (click to show/hide)

Do not talk of the show which must not be named, lest you awaken the wrath of the great Toady One. Seriously, talking about it here was banned for reasons unknown to me. We already had some discussion about it on the last few pages, and that was pretty risky. I think there was an unofficial bay12 pony forum though. Someone else should have a link.

Edit: It was a pretty good premiere though, yeah. I wonder if we're actually gonna get a longer arc over the course of this season as some people have speculated.

[kaijyuu]

Se signature for link! We've talked about the premiere a bit already, though no one pointed out that Isengard tower thing yet hehe.

[Neonivek]

But we had a MLP discussion earlier.

I think the issue was more that MLP discussion tended to uttarly dominate the sections it was in, then it being banned.