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Re: Uh... what?
« Reply #15 on: June 02, 2012, 05:21:06 pm »

I am awaiting somebody's battle report where a Dwarf insta-kills a dragon with a punch. I know it sounds completely unlikely... but I have high hopes.

A punch is not dwarfy, it must be a bite so hard that the Dragon explodes.
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« Reply #16 on: June 02, 2012, 05:24:54 pm »

I am awaiting somebody's battle report where a Dwarf insta-kills a dragon with a punch. I know it sounds completely unlikely... but I have high hopes.

A punch is not dwarfy, it must be a bite so hard that the Dragon explodes.

Dwarf bites into the Dragon's neck, severing the spine?
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« Reply #17 on: June 02, 2012, 05:57:54 pm »

Dwarf Fortress has taken on the inaccuracies of a cheesy action movie :'(

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« Reply #18 on: June 02, 2012, 06:13:14 pm »

Kobolds are 2/3 the size of a dog and four times the size of a cat. It's possible that this is normal behavior...

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« Reply #19 on: June 02, 2012, 08:07:12 pm »

Kobolds are kobolds (and tiny. Take their weight into account). They do koboldy things. .nuff said.
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« Reply #20 on: June 02, 2012, 10:40:52 pm »

i did some testing myself and it happens nearly every shot with copper bolts (the crossbow doesn't mater)
also i gave this to the "are crossbows still overpowered?" thread to argue about!

http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=110774.0


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« Reply #21 on: June 03, 2012, 01:23:46 am »

I think it's a little bit much, the kobolds flesh wouldn't resist the bolt enough for that much force to be transmitted to it, you would just end up with a huge hole punched in the kobold and all it's insides torn out through the hole.
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« Reply #22 on: June 03, 2012, 02:57:26 am »

I think it's a little bit much, the kobolds flesh wouldn't resist the bolt enough for that much force to be transmitted to it, you would just end up with a huge hole punched in the kobold and all it's insides torn out through the hole.
Maybe it was shot in the hip? :P
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« Reply #23 on: June 03, 2012, 03:04:46 am »

Iv'e never heard of shots passing clean through a target and damaging it at the same time (ballistae excluded). Could the body structures even allow that to happen?
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« Reply #24 on: June 03, 2012, 08:47:21 am »

Iv'e never heard of shots passing clean through a target and damaging it at the same time (ballistae excluded). Could the body structures even allow that to happen?
Realistically speaking, during the 1st World War rifle rounds were simple metal "slugs". They were not designed to "rip apart" an enemy in the same way future forms of ammo were created to do. As such, any shot to the head did not necesserily mean an "insta-kill", and instead the bullet would simply pass through the skull and brain, resulting in some damage, but nothing life threatening.

Now, when we consider bolts and arrows the weapons themselves are not nearly as strong as actual gunpowder weapons.

I did a bit of quick research, and based on what I found a bolt or arrow could potentially pierce through flesh, straight through. A lot depended on the type of arrowhead/bolt, the ammount of armor a target wore, distance and angle. A broad arrowhead would meet a much larger area, while a bodkin bolt (narrow bolt) could pass through chainmail (the rings were not tight enough to stop it) and get stuck inside a person.

The effectiveness of the bolt/arrow lay in the sheer mass that could be fired at an opponent. It was rarely the case that a single arrow or bolt pierced a full plate, but rather a handful of arrows being lucky out of a few hundred being fired. Which somewhat reminds me of a siege I had where I suffered only one casuality, due to a dwarf getting shot in the heart by a crossbow, while wearing steel mail.. It's just plain bad luck.

I do not know what type of bolts/arrows are used in-game, since a lot depends on that factor alone.
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« Reply #25 on: June 03, 2012, 11:28:30 am »

You obviously misunderstood me. I meant the Dwarf Fortress way of handling body structures, not the real body structure. ::)
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« Reply #26 on: June 03, 2012, 11:42:56 am »

To be fair Kobolds are supposedly smaller than dogs.

A copper bolt would probably knock one quite violently to the floor, not sure if 'skidding' is the right word for it though :P

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« Reply #27 on: June 03, 2012, 12:59:44 pm »

Each arrow weighs slightly over 1L or whatever the unit of measurement is.
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« Reply #28 on: June 03, 2012, 01:15:47 pm »

Each arrow weighs slightly over 1L or whatever the unit of measurement is.
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And its displayed as Γ (the greek letter gamma). ;)
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« Reply #29 on: June 03, 2012, 03:13:14 pm »

To be fair Kobolds are supposedly smaller than dogs.

A copper bolt would probably knock one quite violently to the floor, not sure if 'skidding' is the right word for it though :P
But hard enough to knock a rib through the liver? Nah. I really doubt that a bolt can throw something "violently" either.

I tried to find out how much a crossbow bolt weighed, 365 grains=~24 g. Does this sound reasonable? Seems a little bit light to be honest, so please correct me if I'm wrong.

A kobold might weigh 15 kg so we get, assuming 100% transmission of force: 0.024/15=0.0016*the speed of the bolt. Assuming the bolt is traveling at the speed of sound in dry air (~340 m/s), we get a measly 0.544 m/s velocity on the kobold.
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