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mugglewump0

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Best Armour Combo
« on: June 02, 2012, 03:34:24 am »

I have alot of possible steel at my finger tips and I heard you can layer up armour so have tons of chains and the such but there's also a limit to it apparently?

My questinons is if I wanted the best armoured guys possible what should the uniform be? If I layer up as much as possible
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Re: Best Armour Combo
« Reply #1 on: June 02, 2012, 06:16:34 am »

1. Steel Breastplates
2. Steel Shield
3. Silk Cloak
4. Silk Hood
5. Bone or Shell Helmet and Gaunts
6. Leather Shirt
7. Bone or Shell Greaves
8. Leather Shoes

In order of priority.  Keep melting and remaking the Shield and Breastplate.  Grind and grind all your refuse into helmets, gaunts.  Until you get masterworked.  If you have a ton of steel make Steel caps, too.  Otherwise use it all for Shields and BPs.  That's what I do, not sure if it best possible, but it'll leave a fair amount of steel for axes and swords.  Take care, Knutor
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Re: Best Armour Combo
« Reply #2 on: June 02, 2012, 10:11:21 am »

Leather Armor
Steel Mail Shirt
Steel Breastplate
Steel Greaves
Steel Helm
Steel Cap
Leather Hood
Steel Gauntlet
Leather Gloves
Cloth Cloak
Steel High Boot
Copper/Silver/Anything Shield.



Why the shield material? Well, the material of the shield only matters for damage done with bashing. Ideally you'd want platinum/gold shields, but they could slow your guys down. I just tend to use wood.
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Re: Best Armour Combo
« Reply #3 on: June 02, 2012, 12:33:04 pm »

Leather Armor is shaped, so it'll interfere with the breastplate
Steel Mail Shirt x2
Steel Breastplate
Steel Greaves
Steel Helm
Steel Cap won't fit with the helmet
Leather Hood
Steel Gauntlet
Leather Gloves mittens
Cloth/Leather Cloak x6
Steel High Boot
Anything Shield.

Changes made in green. At some point recently the sizes of clothes were changed so you can no longer equip caps and helmets. Also note that you need to make sure your fortress has enough tunics/shirts, trousers and socks so that the military dwarves are wearing them as civilian clothes to stop negative clothing thoughts; armor layers don't count as coverage for these thoughts (so you can no longer wear 3 mail shirts either).
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Nyan Thousand

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Re: Best Armour Combo
« Reply #4 on: June 02, 2012, 12:47:15 pm »

I've always done:

Mail shirt
Breastplate
Shirt
Robe
Cloak
Hood
Helm
Gauntlets
Mittens
Trousers
Leggings
Socks
Shoes
High/Low boots
Shield
Buckler

when it comes to armor. It's a lot, I know, but you get so much from goblins that you're bound to fill that up, plus I never get the naked negative thought, so that's a bonus.
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NTJedi

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Re: Best Armour Combo
« Reply #5 on: June 02, 2012, 01:14:24 pm »

So why the changes from gloves to mittens??  I've always heard gloves were better and they do fit under gauntlets.
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Re: Best Armour Combo
« Reply #6 on: June 02, 2012, 05:59:27 pm »

Talk about lack of consensus...   :o
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Re: Best Armour Combo
« Reply #7 on: June 02, 2012, 07:55:49 pm »

Also note that you need to make sure your fortress has enough tunics/shirts, trousers and socks so that the military dwarves are wearing them as civilian clothes to stop negative clothing thoughts; armor layers don't count as coverage for these thoughts (so you can no longer wear 3 mail shirts either).
Note that this will be, according to the devlog, changed in the next version.
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ResMar

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Re: Best Armour Combo
« Reply #8 on: June 02, 2012, 08:08:30 pm »

I've never understood why Toady lets this rediculous multi-layered armor stand. I mean irl, wearing three iron chain main shirts, plus everything else, will probably reduce you to crawling.
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Re: Best Armour Combo
« Reply #9 on: June 02, 2012, 08:48:57 pm »

Their speed is actually reduced quite significantly, if they don't have high strength and agility attributes. Too much metal armor on recruits can be a bad thing, until training increases those attributes.
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knutor

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Re: Best Armour Combo
« Reply #10 on: June 02, 2012, 09:27:39 pm »

I always twice about using metal bars for feet and leg armor, myself. 

Cloth/Silk vs slashing. 
Leather vs piercing.
Metal vs blunt.

Or did that change?  Isn't it good to have all three types protected over chest and head?
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Re: Best Armour Combo
« Reply #11 on: June 02, 2012, 09:38:57 pm »

All forms of metal are vastly better than cloth and leather against all forms of attack. Leather is better than cloth against blunt attacks, while silk is better than other forms of cloth and leather against all forms of edged attack. No form of armor is very effective against blunt attacks anyway, but metal is so much better against edged attacks than even silk that using silk on top of metal for protective purposes is basically pointless, so you're better off going with all metal and leather. Practically speaking, any metal armor blunts or blocks edged attacks from any inferior material, so using cloth for edged protection is a waste of effort.

If you have armor-grade ores, you generally have the associated metal in vast quantities, so you can typically equip every soldier (or even every citizen) with metal armor on every body part. If you're reliant on imports or goblinite for metal, mail shirts and helmets cover the most important areas. Instant-kill attacks are those that hit the head (which the helmet defends), that hit the heart or lungs (which the mail shirt defends), or that cleave the lower body off, so the third-most-important piece of metal armor should be greaves to guard against attacks that sever the lower body. Shields protect all body parts better than any armor when wielded by a skilled dwarf, but can be made of wood in a pinch, so they're not really a concern for metal conservation.
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Re: Best Armour Combo
« Reply #12 on: June 03, 2012, 06:03:10 am »

ok... so as much steel as I can throw on a guy, why not just put on a load of chainmails on a guy why bother with cloaks and such
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Re: Best Armour Combo
« Reply #13 on: June 03, 2012, 06:58:59 am »

ok... so as much steel as I can throw on a guy, why not just put on a load of chainmails on a guy why bother with cloaks and such
You can only put 2 chainmails, so people put 2 chainmails + 6 cloaks and such..

It's really dumb, I hope Toady cleans it up sometime. The max possible should be a pretty common sense setup - all the metal gear plus say a cloak and a hood.
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Re: Best Armour Combo
« Reply #14 on: June 03, 2012, 07:20:21 am »

ok... so as much steel as I can throw on a guy, why not just put on a load of chainmails on a guy why bother with cloaks and such
You can only put 2 chainmails, so people put 2 chainmails + 6 cloaks and such..

It's really dumb, I hope Toady cleans it up sometime. The max possible should be a pretty common sense setup - all the metal gear plus say a cloak and a hood.

He speaks the truth..
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