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[leafbarrett]

From the wiki:
"Secondary weapons: Although it sounds like a cool idea, equipping a marksdwarf with a backup shortsword just in case doesn't often work, as dwarves are just as quick to run up their foes and start bashing them with a crossbow as they are to draw their swords and do it properly."
Now, this seems like a fairly big problem, but I doubt this is something that can be changed as simply as just adding a token in the raws. I suppose it's possible to remove the melee component of ranged weapons completely, but that seems like just as bad of an option, as unless the dwarf has a backup weapon, they're left to fight barehanded. Any ideas?

[soul4hdwn]

removing the melee part of a bow sounds interesting but not sure how to do it.
secondary attacks are just that, they're not optional but only done if the primary isn't able to be done.  however ambidexterity is supposed to exist... so don't know what the wiki quote is getting at.

[leafbarrett]

What it's saying is that the dwarves are just as likely to try and smack enemies with the crossbow as they are to use their sword. Which, from what I know about the fighting system, is true. It's kinda like a dwarf choosing to grapple a hydra's third left toe instead of its throat: the dwarf is as likely to choose the ineffective option as it is to choose the effective one.

[Hugo_The_Dwarf]

Problem is even if you remove the attack tags from the bow/crossbow the creature will simply "bash" its foe with it, and training the Misc. Object Use skill. Its that the AI has a set slot for "weapon" and picks the best one, and I believe ranged weapons trump melee so that archers acually use their ranged weapons.

[bombzero]

Maybe they need a set 'slot' for both melee and ranged? would make sense, all units could have a melee 'slot' and all ranged have both.

[leafbarrett]

So basically, there's no way to make your dwarves not be retards?

[Hugo_The_Dwarf]

@BZ
Would make sense, Toady will probally do that in the Army Arc. Maybe

@LB
Only way to make them less retarded is to make custom weapons like such:

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[ITEM_WEAPON:ITEM_WEAPON_BOW_DAGGER]
[NAME:bow and dagger:bows and daggers]
[SIZE:500]
[SKILL:DAGGER]
[RANGED:BOW:ARROW]
[SHOOT_FORCE:1000]
[SHOOT_MAXVEL:1000]
[TWO_HANDED:0]
[MINIMUM_SIZE:15000]
[MATERIAL_SIZE:3]
[ATTACK:EDGE:1000:800:slash:slashes:dagger:1250]
[ATTACK:EDGE:5:1000:stab:stabs:dagger:1000]
[ATTACK:BLUNT:20:600:strike:strikes:dagger pommel:1000]

[ITEM_WEAPON:ITEM_WEAPON_BOW_SHORT_SWORD]
[NAME:bow and short sword:bows and short swords]
[SIZE:600]
[SKILL:SWORD]
[RANGED:BOW:ARROW]
[SHOOT_FORCE:1000]
[SHOOT_MAXVEL:1000]
[TWO_HANDED:0]
[MINIMUM_SIZE:15000]
[MATERIAL_SIZE:3]
[ATTACK:EDGE:20000:4000:slash:slashes:short sword:1250]
[ATTACK:EDGE:50:2000:stab:stabs:short sword:1000]
[ATTACK:BLUNT:20000:4000:slap:slaps:short sword flat:1250]
[ATTACK:BLUNT:100:1000:strike:strikes:short sword pommel:1000]

[ITEM_WEAPON:ITEM_WEAPON_BOW_LONG_SWORD]
[NAME:bow and long sword:bows and long swords]
[SIZE:1000]
[SKILL:SWORD]
[RANGED:BOW:ARROW]
[SHOOT_FORCE:1000]
[SHOOT_MAXVEL:1000]
[TWO_HANDED:0]
[MINIMUM_SIZE:15000]
[MATERIAL_SIZE:3]
[ATTACK:EDGE:60000:6000:slash:slashes:long sword:1250]
[ATTACK:EDGE:50:3000:stab:stabs:long sword:1000]
[ATTACK:BLUNT:60000:6000:slap:slaps:long sword flat:1250]
[ATTACK:BLUNT:100:1000:strike:strikes:long sword pommel:1000]

[ITEM_WEAPON:ITEM_WEAPON_CROSSBOW_BAYONET]
[NAME:crossbow with bayonet:crossbows with bayonets]
[SIZE:600]
[SKILL:PIKE]
[RANGED:CROSSBOW:BOLT]
[SHOOT_FORCE:1000]
[SHOOT_MAXVEL:1000]
[TWO_HANDED:0]
[MINIMUM_SIZE:15000]
[MATERIAL_SIZE:3]
[ATTACK:EDGE:20:10000:stab:stabs:bayonet:1000]
[ATTACK:BLUNT:10000:4000:bash:bashes:crossbow:1250]

[Urist Da Vinci]

You could just change the crossbow melee to train sword and give crossbows a "bayonet" attack.

[Hugo_The_Dwarf]

I have my Bayonetted Crossbows use the PIKE skill, since a crossbow is so awkward, I'd figure all you could do was stab

[Jake]

I have my Bayonetted Crossbows use the PIKE skill, since a crossbow is so awkward, I'd figure all you could do was stab.

Likewise, except mine use the speardwarf skill so I can have my marksdwarf squads perform bayonet drills with training spears. They also have a blunt attack as well, though the AI doesn't use it very often.