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[ZebioLizard2]

I do hope a graphics set is eventually made, I love this, but I'm not an honest fan of full ASCII.

[b_knight286]

Made a Koopa fort with the new update, my Koopas move faster while carrying things than they do just walking!  It was hilarious to see one trudge up to the block stockpile, grab a stone block, then zoom away three times faster than before!  Prolly some kinda bug though.  Also, the Koopa brain shuts off if they get next to an enemy.  Haven't seen what other races do, but Koopas just stand there and take it.  You can get them thinking again by chasing the enemy so it's not next to them anymore.  I drafted all my starting Koopas to save my miner from an enraged Wiggler, he was just sitting there, but the moment it started fleeing from the others, my frozen miner gave chase.  Koopas are my favorite race to play, though I like Shyguy's more.  Here's hoping you can figure out what went wrong!  Oh, and as a suggestion, for Koopas raising the dead, just make a custom Dry Bones creature, like the custom mushroom one, and have a reaction to turn LIVING Koopas into them somehow.  Possibly using a potion or whatever.  There should be a way to keep them friendly to the Koopas, but I don't really know.  Good luck modding this awesomeness!

[EmeraldWind]

Made a Koopa fort with the new update, my Koopas move faster while carrying things than they do just walking!  It was hilarious to see one trudge up to the block stockpile, grab a stone block, then zoom away three times faster than before!  Prolly some kinda bug though.  Also, the Koopa brain shuts off if they get next to an enemy.  Haven't seen what other races do, but Koopas just stand there and take it.  You can get them thinking again by chasing the enemy so it's not next to them anymore.  I drafted all my starting Koopas to save my miner from an enraged Wiggler, he was just sitting there, but the moment it started fleeing from the others, my frozen miner gave chase.  Koopas are my favorite race to play, though I like Shyguy's more.  Here's hoping you can figure out what went wrong!  Oh, and as a suggestion, for Koopas raising the dead, just make a custom Dry Bones creature, like the custom mushroom one, and have a reaction to turn LIVING Koopas into them somehow.  Possibly using a potion or whatever.  There should be a way to keep them friendly to the Koopas, but I don't really know.  Good luck modding this awesomeness!

That part about the Koopas going dumb in battle is probably due to their ability to hide in their shells.

[b_knight286]

The combat logs didn't mention them "curling" or "uncurling" at all, so unless they don't mention those at all, they were just sitting ducks.  Would be better for them to try running away, since I can't get civilians to wear shells that would make a difference.

[Korbac]

Any updates to this great mod? I'm thinking of getting back into it again!

[Zavvnao]

Hello? I just need some help, the bumptie civs always die off very fast :c
can someone help me with making last longer?

Also, Kremling cities tend to die off for no reason.

[EmeraldWind]

I never noticed that the Toads were forced to wear mushroom caps before. That's a nice touch...

Though I do have a bit of confusion. Ya see...

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[SELECT_CASTE:ALL]
[SET_TL_GROUP:BY_CATEGORY:ALL:VEIL]
[TL_COLOR_MODIFIER:BROWN:1:BURNT_UMBER:1:CINNAMON:1:COPPER:1:DARK_BROWN:1:DARK_PEACH:1:DARK_TAN:1:ECRU:1:PALE_BROWN:1:PALE_CHESTNUT:1:PALE_PINK:1:PEACH:1:PINK:1:RAW_UMBER:1:SEPIA:1:TAN:1:TAUPE_PALE:1:TAUPE_SANDY:1]
[TLCM_NOUN:skin:SINGULAR]
[SET_TL_GROUP:BY_CATEGORY:HYMENIUM:HYMENIUM]
[TL_COLOR_MODIFIER:SPOTS_WHITE_RED_MW:64:SPOTS_WHITE_BLUE_MW:16:SPOTS_WHITE_GREEN_MW:16:SPOTS_WHITE_YELLOW_MW:16:SPOTS_WHITE_PURPLE_MW:16:SPOTS_WHITE_AQUA_MW:16:SPOTS_WHITE_PINK_MW:16:STRIPES_RED_WHITE_MW:16:STRIPES_BLUE_WHITE_MW:4:STRIPES_GREEN_WHITE_MW:4:STRIPES_YELLOW_WHITE_MW:4:STRIPES_PURPLE_WHITE_MW:4:STRIPES_AQUA_WHITE_MW:4:STRIPES_PINK_WHITE_MW:4:SPOTS_BLACK_RED_MW:4:SPOTS_BLACK_BLUE_MW:1:SPOTS_BLACK_GREEN_MW:1:SPOTS_BLACK_YELLOW_MW:1:SPOTS_BLACK_PURPLE_MW:1:SPOTS_BLACK_AQUA_MW:1:SPOTS_BLACK_PINK_MW:1]
[TLCM_NOUN:mushroom cap:SINGULAR]
[TL_COLOR_MODIFIER:SPOTS_WHITE_BROWN_MW:4:SPOTS_BROWN_WHITE_MW:1:STRIPES_BROWN_WHITE_MW:1:BROWN:1:WHITE:1]
[TLCM_NOUN:mushroom cap:SINGULAR]
[TLCM_TIMING:ROOT:40:0:70:0]

From this I gather that you have the mushroom caps' colors being determined by the Toad... so it the cap a natural part of them... or something they wear? Also it looks here that as they age their spots and stripes turn to brown...

I'm guessing that you intend for the caps to be in theory part of the Toad as the Toads must wear the mushroom cap and mushroom caps are only available to the Toads, but ultimately the caps are an item that the Toads wear.

I'm curious because I recently noticed that the Toads all wear mushroom caps.

Please nobody get excited about what you see beyond the spoiler.
It is merely an experiment caused by idle hands and a little extra time on a Saturday.
This is by no means a promise... or even a thing.
This is a warning that what you see is not going to be anything more than an experiment...

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

This is why I noticed. I was playing around with StoneSense and threw some Toad sprites together.
I basically took a Toad sprite from PM:TTYD and modified it to be kind of like the Dwarf sprites that Caldfir's Dwarf sprites were in the current StoneSense. I wanted to see how the layering stuff layered and how to go about making Toads with mushroom caps that coupld be different colors.

So basically there are three sprites. A naked Toad, a Mushroom cap sans spots, and a Mushroom cap sans non-spot area.
I color the Toad with their skin color, the field (non-spot area) white as a default, and then the colored spots.

Initially, I was going to make the caps based on their material... but materials generally turned out to be leathers... so all the caps ended up brown. For the image above, I had it coloring the spots based on profession. This was before I noticed that the colors of the caps seem to be determined by the Toad's creature definition...

All in all it took a bit to get everything kind the way I wanted.
I probably won't continue with the project, but I wanted to share what I did... hence the do not get excited part.
Please no one bug me about it. I probably will not have any time to work on it anyway.

If I do decided to do more I'll post it here when I do... but do not expect it.

(I say this not out of being mean... but I don't want anyone to get their hopes up only to be shattered by my laziness and
lack of pixelating skills. I really didn't do much original here. I merely cleaned up the shading of an actual Toad sprite from TTYD
and then seperated him into three pieces for Stonesense to put together. Then I shrunk the three piece to half their original size so they could work with the 128 size. BTW the Toad Sprites are actually about half the size of Caldfir's dwarf sprites... but I honestly think they look good at that size.)

[Putnam]

If it's defined in the creature, it's a natural part of them.

[EmeraldWind]

If it's defined in the creature, it's a natural part of them.

It is and it isn't...

The Toads have something called the hymenium rather than a head. The descriptor patterns defining the patterns on the cap are applied to the hymenium as well as a mushroom cap TLCM_NOUN... but the mushroom cap is also a wearable helmet item that all Toads are forced to wear by their civ.

So, I think a bit a clarification on what exactly the mushroom cap item is would help a bit.

[Putnam]

They're not forced to wear it, the civ is just forced to have it.

[IndigoFenix]

The mushroom caps are one of those creative liberties I took, although it's a bit ambiguous regarding what the interpretation is.  I spent a bit of time trying to decide exactly how fungus-like the Toads should be, and whether or not the mushroom caps should be biological or artificial, and eventually I settled on making them artificial (there have been, on rare occasions, Toads wearing things other than mushroom caps, like propeller helmets).  However, since the colors and designs on a Toad's cap are their main identifying feature in the source material, I decided to give them biologically-determined colors as well.  Also you can kill them by reaching under their caps and gouging out their hymeniums (gills), which function as their brains.

I guess you could say that they have a biological mushroom-like physiology with a small cap, but they like to wear big artificial caps over them.  Yeah, we'll go with that.  On a side note, those mushroom caps are extremely thick and as a result offer better protection than other kinds of soft clothing.

[EmeraldWind]

The mushroom caps are one of those creative liberties I took, although it's a bit ambiguous regarding what the interpretation is.  I spent a bit of time trying to decide exactly how fungus-like the Toads should be, and whether or not the mushroom caps should be biological or artificial, and eventually I settled on making them artificial (there have been, on rare occasions, Toads wearing things other than mushroom caps, like propeller helmets).  However, since the colors and designs on a Toad's cap are their main identifying feature in the source material, I decided to give them biologically-determined colors as well.  Also you can kill them by reaching under their caps and gouging out their hymeniums (gills), which function as their brains.

I guess you could say that they have a biological mushroom-like physiology with a small cap, but they like to wear big artificial caps over them.  Yeah, we'll go with that.  On a side note, those mushroom caps are extremely thick and as a result offer better protection than other kinds of soft clothing.

That was slowly what I was seeming to figure out. I mean the cartoons had Toad remove his cap once or twice revealing it wasn't exactly part of his head and that was how I was visualizing Toads for this mod until I noticed the colors were determined by genetics which threw me off. But it makes sense, it just makes it seem like Toads are born with a natural color preference that determines what color their caps will be.

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Though I will note, that right now DFHack can't read patterns yet... and if I find time to finish the Toads' sheet (no promises) they'll only have white spotted caps which are colored to match their profession (like shown in the image I posted). Once DFHack learns patterns it wouldn't be too hard to add all their natural colorings in StoneSense.

[Putnam]

I wouldn't take the cartoon as even remotely canon

I mean, yes, there is no canon whatsoever, but I wouldn't use the cartoon as a source material, personally.

[EmeraldWind]

I wouldn't take the cartoon as even remotely canon

I mean, yes, there is no canon whatsoever, but I wouldn't use the cartoon as a source material, personally.

Yeah, I realize that. 

But since the mushroom caps for this mod were hats that the Toads could take off, it invoked the show in my head.
I was just saying because of that I ended up visualizing them in my head that way.

Not that I actually think the shows are canon in the slightest. I mean seriously, who would even believe the Mario Bros. came from Brooklyn in this day and age, right?

But then again I still favor the shows in that I believe the Koopalings to be Bowser's kids... regardless of what Nintendo or Miyamoto may say otherwise.   

[Monk321654]

It's one thing to have your kids do chores like wash the dishes, pummel those pesky plumbers, and watch after your kingdoms, but just hiring random hooligans off the street? Bowser seems a bit more... Low after that.