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[knutor]

My spirit's high about this game, my wife's spirit is high.  The whole family is high!
In retrospect, I should have gotten the kids haircut before saying that.  Back on topic...

Why isn't there an option in farms Process Plant to Pot?  Or is that just Process Plant?  Does the farm even work, I never see anyone in there doing farming. 

And on that note, I feel still very strongly, whether anyone listen cares or not, against the bare naked thoughts.  It's not right, man.  If bare naked thoughts are gonna generate bad thought, so should the occasional miasmic cheese fart.  Eating cheese should generate AOE bad thoughts, why doesn't it?  Just like bare nakedness.  If we are gonna cut off one arm, might aswell cut off the other.  I see no point or enjoyment in having a bare naked thought.  It insults my play style.

I'm against both bare naked thoughts and AOE miasmic cheese farts, but it stands to reason.  Odor is just as much a sense as sight.  PLEASE, ADD a toggle to turn off bare nakedness thoughts.  Thank you, Knutor

[NW_Kohaku]

Do you think you could maybe rewrite this so that it states what you are arguing for a little more directly?  A simple "Add an init option to turn off negative nudity thoughts" would have sufficed.

As it stands, I had to stare at your post for 5 minutes to even understand what you were arguing for, and wondering if you were some sort of spambot that put together random sentences. 

Beyond that, we already have threads on the subject, so simply adding on to those would have been enough. 

For "Process Plants to Pot" - pots are relatively new.  You're looking for "Process plant to barrel" if you want to make sweet pods into syrup, or "Process Plant" for pig tails/rope reed into threads.  This wiki article should explain what you need to know.  Please try to look up and understand something before you make a suggestion to change it.

[knutor]

Thanks for the reply, NW_Kahaku.  Yeah, I am for a way to turn it off.  Definately.  A bad thought is a bad thought.  This kind of bad thought however, opens up a bushel full of nonsensical and shallow over opinionated thoughts and interactions which do nothing to promote uncivilized culture in a fortress. I would rather my unhappy hovel of short hermits with bad intentions not be subjected to this naked thoughts. 

But don't get me wrong.  I really like the thought processes, and interactions.  I'm for senses generating thoughts, like sight, sure.  That's great and fine, just this particular one, makes no sense.  Looking at another dwarf.. that to me is like looking in the mirror.  And well I guess, half of them get happy themselves and the others well, who knows.  Its for them to decide.  Where are the old dwarven pervs represented at, they gotta like bare nakedness, right? 

I find this thought a poor stereotype, and a square peg in a round hole.  Afterall beauty is in the eye of the beholder.  Who are we to tell a dwarfs spouse her husband is ugly in the sack?  While he is scrubbing his hairy chin?  Its a variable opinion.  This static, negative, bad thought, drags the game down.  It should be a toss up.  Sometimes good, sometimes bad.  A thought generated, yes, but good or bad, who knows, roll for it.

Let the individual dwarfs decide.

I tried your link, NW_Kahaku.  It says nothing about pots.  Thanks for the link to Threshers, tho.  Appreciate it.  Some nice info there, good stuff on that Wiki.  I noticed that you didn't weigh in on miasmic area of effect farts, NW_Kahaku.  Make you blush do they?  I sorta wanna cough when I read that.  I imagine some dwarfs would admire a robust, bottomside nectar.  Some must, as in the dark ages, tableside flatulence was a compliment to the cook.  Where is that thought?  Sight good enough for you to generate thoughts, Toady, well why neglect the nose?

I imagine some players think my miasmic fart good thought is obscene.  Well I find the naked bad thought just as obscene and hurtful to my eyes, as that miasmic fart is on the nose.  It needs a toggle.  However, as you may or may not know I cannot mod a tail on a donkey.  Knutor

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[GreatWyrmGold]

...So, you think that if dwarves should care about if they're naked, in a mine/fortress/cavern full of dangerous creatures, they should also get as angry about someone passing some gas within ~5 tiles as much as if they walk right by a smelly, rotting corpse? Or am I misundertanding something?

[Bohandas]

...So, you think that if dwarves should care about if they're naked, in a mine/fortress/cavern full of dangerous creatures, they should also get as angry about someone passing some gas within ~5 tiles as much as if they walk right by a smelly, rotting corpse? Or am I misundertanding something?

To be fair, the mine is probably badly ventilated

(also, am I the only one who saw the first part of the thread title ("Process Plant to Pot") and thought that this was going to be another suggestion about adding hemp to the game?)

[Mrhappyface]

Are you high when you post? This stream of consciousness type writing is rather unique.

[weenog]

Imagine you go out naked while everyone else isn't and everyone -- everyone -- is pointing and laughing at your tiny pecker.  Women hum bars of Is This All There Is, men ask what kind of accident you got into or if your rabbi was drunk.  Folks wonder sotto voce if you just took an icy shower.  A cop smirks and tears up the parking ticket he was putting on your car, remarking you've got it bad enough already.  Even guys who know they're packing less than you are mock and deride you... they can hide what they've got, you can't, and mob behavior rules.

How well do you think your pride, dignity and morale are going to hold up?  How long can you stay that way and insist nothing is wrong, before you cross the line between stubborn denial and lost contact with reality?

[Bohandas]

I think he might be talking about how supposedly they still get negative thoughts even if we remove all of the relevant clothing-related tags from the entity and creature raws.

[Starver]

(Oh, Knutor... as is your name, as, apparently is your nature...  Phonetically, of course, as you doubtless intended it to be.  And I am no stranger to a floridly fashioned phrase, or purposefully purple prose, but I tip my imaginary hat at you...)

How about a counter-proposal to the (I think) original suggestion.  Already part formed by the time I saw weenog's (also rather wordy) insertion into the thread, but set in concrete once I had.

Negative clothing thoughts are along the lines of the nobilic 'room quality' thoughts.  If you're naked and you see others who aren't, then it's a bad thought.  If you're wearing just a loincloth and you spot someone (not sufficiently higher-ranked than you, in your assessment) wearing a full ensemble, then you also get a bad thought.

Quite possibly, you also get good thoughts if you're the one clothed and observe one who isn't (or isn't quite so).  Unless you have one of those psychological aspect to your nature set in a manner that means the (near-)naked individual disgusts you.  But I can't think which one of the current ones (if any) might apply, off-hand.


And, yes, an Init option could perhaps turn off such jealousy/enviousness and the amusement/pride/disgust reciprocation.

[FallingWhale]

I've gotten in the habit of not reading knutor's posts for this reason.

[Jake]

You do realise that within mere hours of a release that introduces miasmic cheese farts, players would be coming up with ways to use them to kill goblins, right? Nobody wants to read about weaponised miasmic cheese farts on the forums.

Also, I really hope for your sake that you're not smoking that spliff at the computer, because I doubt stale marijuana residue is any better for its internals than stale tobacco residue. (Or a mixture of the two if you smoke the stuff British style.)

[knutor]

@FallingWhale.  Drumroll. And the reason?  Please don't hurt my feelings.  I promise not to hurt yours.

@Weenog.  Looks down, at my manhood and laughs out loud.  By Armok, I wish I had a great big...

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imagination.

@Weenog, I cackled at that post a long time.  Oh, to be able to use a tallywhacker to get out of parking tickets.  The joyfulness of that, is keeping me going and going.  Smiling and smiling, here.  I get the jist of Weenogs post, very clearly.  No guesswork there. 

But lets put things in somekind of perspective.  We are talking about underground hygeine, not Playboy Centerfold hygeine!  So unless their clean or in the process of cleaning a two millimeter coat of muck, exists, 23:30hrs of the 24hr day.  How could anyone see, much less enjoy anything past that layer of grime and mildew, to pass any kind of judgement, yay-hay-hay or nay-ha-ha? 

And don't try to convince me that mud isn't sexy, I've see a muddygirl fight or two in my time.  It doesn't always put a frown on our faces, like Toady would lead us to believe, happens to his dwarfs.  Haven't you ever heard? Beauty is a work in process.

@Jake.  You might be right about not wanting to talk about weaponized miasmic cheese farts.  That is an uncomfortable thought.  I think it'd make a nice secret weapon.  When all else fails.  Pull out the chair exploding heavy weight from the legendary dining room, roll that bugger with the cheeks of death to the front lines and open fire! 

Learned from ancients, finely tuned whilst covorting with skunks, this dwarf has an aura of dutiful consumption.  Trained in secret at the skunkworks, weaponized flatulence.  Prereq: Cheese, or rotten anything.  The LOWER the quality, the more choking poison damage inflicted.  So many possibilities, I am beside my side with wonderlust at just why this hasn't already been introduced, by Toady or a modder.

I'm serious however, about the farms missing Process Plant to Pot.  Should it be there?  If its new, is it missing because of an exploit, or a brain fart?

Sincerely, Knutor

[Mrhappyface]

You meant that sort of pot all along, didn't you!

[GreatWyrmGold]

I still fail to see why those who pass gas should cause as much stench as a rotting corpse, or why these dwarf-like things knutor describes would care about gas.

[Dorfimedes]

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