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[Hapah]

From the post you linked:

Chaos Armor:  I'm voting Tiruin due to process of elimination.  I outlined that I believe you're town here, and that Hapah is town here.  Therefore, that leaves Tiruin as scum.

Cuts both ways, I believe. Tir could claim the same, couldn't he?

Also, since your case on me basically boils down to complementary behavior between FD and myself, I'd like to direct you toward my case on Deathsword and the complementary behavior I saw between him and Tiruin.  And we know how that turned out.  Amusingly, Tiruin was voting Deathsword at the end of the day there, which, at the time, I was thinking it looked like he was bussing his scumbuddy as well. 

But I have already stated that I do not believe they are the same.

..and I think that's it? The rest is just you answering questions from CA/Tir, and saying that Tir must be scum because I and CA are town.

From your last post:

Humor me this:  If I'm really the last scum left, what do you think my reasoning would be for killing CA?

That's WIFOM. "They killed CA, so they must want Shake to die. But I know that they know that I know that they know...". You should (or do) know that.

Additionally, if you think your case on me is "far from perfect", then why aren't you trying to reinforce that case at all?  Or look more closely at Tiruin?

Trust me, I did look at Tiruin. But I can't find anything to lynch him on. I'm guessing you can't find anything compelling either, or you'd have brought it up. As far as I can tell, your evidence boils down to "it has to be him because everyone else is town" and his interactions with DS (where I disagree with your assessment). My case on you isn't perfect, but my case on him is damn near nonexistent.

[Tiruin]

PFP

Will manage a post tonight, also explaining why I was gone for ax extra ~12 hours from my last post :/

The time of the year where monsoons and low pressure areas come? Had to be now, with extra electrical problems.

Anyway, back now and ready to finish this up!


Shakerag, still.

=snip=

Addressing by marker, for better formatting. Next post covers recent events.

Spoiler: First point (click to show/hide)

@329 [...]
-I didn't need to question CA to feel that he was very likely town.  Circumstantial evidence did it for me.  As for when, look up at the link in my response to CA.

Well, that link said that your thoughts came from Irony, or mostly from it due to:

Going back and reading through D2, I can't help but notice that IronyOwl was making a large point about questioning everyone about thier cases on Chaos Armor.  The more I look at it, the more I see cop-like behavior of trying to get people away from someone who inspected as town.  Flying Dice is awfully keen on seeing Chaos Armor lynched, and for reasons that feel a bit shaky to me.  The unvoting/voting thing back on D2 is a bit queer when I look at it in more detail now (and am not intently focused on a different player), and I can't get behind the "CA started a bandwagon" argument at all. 

Now in that spoiler, I'd like to ask you to quote//state the reply # of those posts which Irony stated that gave off that feel and why, please.

Spoiler: Because this is what I think on that matter (click to show/hide)

One of his first PotD was a drop in suspicion on CA due to his lack of internet, and that statement was based on lurking. Checking the lurkertracker, Irony...didn't say anything on CA since then but a query on his stand. Now either he didn't post it then, or had that opinion whilst reading the whole thing.

Two, I believe his line of questioning was asking on that matter, because curiosity abounded on people's intentions.

What else conspired, was based on Deathsword's reaction, i.e. Irony's target of interrogation.

But I do get the point in which you stated the cop-telling-results. Still, want to know how you saw it.

Why I think it's Tiruin.

Spoiler: Second point, same post (click to show/hide)

Chaos Armor:  I'm voting Tiruin due to process of elimination.  I outlined that I believe you're town here, and that Hapah is town here.  Therefore, that leaves Tiruin as scum.

As to your second question, I wasn't responding mostly due to RL busyness, and partly because before you decided to pop back in it looked like the day was going to be over with me getting lynched anyway.  And partly just long-game fatigue of wanting the game to move to N4 already.

Hapah: [Firstly, to answer your question about bussing.  I will admit that I'm possibly not the best choice to answer this question as I've been scum very few times.  Having said that, (and I've re-written this several times to try and make it more readable) looking at bussing your scumbuddy as some kind of strategy is very likely bad, except possibly in certain game-specific situations.  Bussing your scumbuddy because he looks scummy is just normal scum play, in my opinion.  If you would lynch him as a townie, then you should lynch him as scum.  Does that answer your question?]

Also, since your case on me basically boils down to complementary behavior between FD and myself, I'd like to direct you toward my case on Deathsword and the complementary behavior I saw between him and Tiruin.  And we know how that turned out.  Amusingly, Tiruin was voting Deathsword at the end of the day there, which, at the time, I was thinking it looked like he was bussing his scumbuddy as well.

What were you hoping to gain by pointing this out {bolded portion}, and what did you mean by the underlined portion? This seems to me as a blunt attack, meant to give an impression, but not make a mark.

[Tiruin]

Next:

[Do I even need to give the usual LYLO speech?]

Oppose extend
Oppose shorten - to avoid shenanigans. 

CA dying and this being LYLO doesn't change that I think Tiruin is scum.  What about you two?

Could you clarify on the shenanigans thing? It takes two to approve, but the shorten & note, I don't get.

Next is, why the bolded portion?

Humor me this:  If I'm really the last scum left, what do you think my reasoning would be for killing CA?  Additionally, if you think your case on me is "far from perfect", then why aren't you trying to reinforce that case at all?  Or look more closely at Tiruin?

Forgive me for asking (and by this I mean IC mode mostly), what is usually meant by people when they say Humor me this? Sounds like an expression to 'just know something in contradiction of a matter' for me.

Because without that, and from my own meaning, I'd say WIFOM. You divert to me, but don't give something to chew on?

Well, here's my take.

There are about two stances on why, with assumed principles.
Me and you are dueling, I know where my stand lies, and you do yours, judging by past days. Hapah is the third party - his vote is what you need to sway. I'm guessing you're stating from the view of connections by votes.

Then I don't think theres anything more that can really be productive here right now.

In before day end, this happens. Why can't there be anything productive right then? CA did state that he extended and voted to let questions flow.

Also, why state that type of WIFOM when you told the (nearly) same thing on your case on Deathsword?

[Jim Groovester]

[2] Shakerag: Tiruin, Hapah
[1] Tiruin: Shakerag

Day ends Today 9:00 PM MST in ~8 hours.

[Shakerag]

Disregarding everything I've said previously, I'm really wondering if Hapah is scum now.  You've been tunneling me way too much for me not to find that a bit odd, coupled with your statement of not being able to find a single thing to work with on Tiruin ... If you really are town, then I want to take a shovel upside your head after this game is over. 

Not that it matters, really.  One of you is scum, and one of you is 100% convinced I'm scum. 

Game ends today, and I think I can speak for us all when I say no one wants another extend, Jim included.  So I'll just make a closing statement.

I went after borno because I thought I saw a slip there namedropping DS.  Saw what looked to be complementary behaviour between DS and Tiruin, especially since they went after abculatter early (because, let's be honest here, whoever's joking around/acting crazy is almost always easy to get lynched anyway).  DS flipped town, so that fizzed out.  FD looked like scum when I reread, so went with him. 

CA was likely town due to FD's tunneling and my theory that IO inspected him.  Hapah seemed town to me at that point because it would have been damn odd for him to be bussing FD like that the previous day, and he could have easily switched his vote from FD to me at day end with Theo, potentially ending the game right there if the NK went through.  (As a side note, I wonder if the reason why CA was not finding me to be terribly scummy was because he protected me the night there was no NK.  I guess we'll find out shortly.) 

I think Tiruin has played a pretty decent game, but by process of elimination I think he's got to be scum.  I also didn't like how it looked like he was trying to throw FD a line by suggesting the no-lynch, and his post-day-end post looked like he could have been trying to save FD's bacon by throwing suspicion on Hapah and Theo.  Especially the line "Why are you less certain about him than FD?"  To me that's coming across as "be more certain about Shakerag, so you don't lynch my buddy FD".

But, again, not that it matters because I think my words are falling on deaf ears.  Hapah has got serious tunnel vision or is scum, and Tiruin is too suspicious of me for going after him/DS earlier or is scum. 


Shenanigans - Just to make sure no one fiddled with the length of the day.  Extend would be painful, and shorten could be a move by scum or let scum shorten as well and win. 

Humor me - Usually means that the response to the inquiry will not have any effect on whatever's going on, but the requestor is curious about something none the less.  (Like, for example, "I know you're not really going to ask my mom to have sex with you, but humor me and tell me how you would proposition her.")

[Hapah]

If Tir is scum, he deserves the win. I can't make a case, and yours still looks like it boils down to process of elimination. I mean, I've reread his posts three times since D4 opened, and I still can't really get anything to stick. The only things would be the No Lynch vote that he suggested (but never actually voted) on D3, and (maybe?) his interactions with DS. His hostile interactions with FD look genuinely hostile, while I've made my thoughts on your and FD's interactions well known.

Plus, I'd really hope that CA would have said that he saved you (or me, or Tir) before the last night. I'm guessing that he saved someone who is now dead, but like you said, we'll know soon enough. I would have completely accepted him claiming Doctor, so I'd think if he could give someone else almost-confirmed-town status he would have done so.

And yeah, maybe I do have tunnel vision, I don't know. But I'm listening. All I know is I couldn't put together a convincing argument for a Tir lynch, and yours looks very thin as well. If I've got no case on him and an okay case on you, what am I supposed to do?

I doubt I'll be back before the deciding lynch, so I'll just go ahead and say that it was a good game, everyone. Lessons can be learned from win or loss, and that's what BM is all about! I look forward to the post-game! And at the very least, this was a hell of a lot closer than most BM's, lol.

[IronyOwl]

Do bear in mind that an "okay" case is really not advised for LYLO. If there was ever a time to be certain, it'd be the lynch that the entire game depends on.

I also notice there doesn't really seem to have been much hunting today; most of what everyone's got seems to be from earlier. That's not necessarily wrong, but it's a bit disturbing to think that LYLO included no actual scumhunting.

[Shakerag]

Plus, I'd really hope that CA would have said that he saved you (or me, or Tir) before the last night.

Actually, that's a terrible idea.  Say he did save me.  CA claims.  We have, essentially, two confirmed town (scum counter-claim aside).  But there's still two unknowns.  If CA and I were to not lynch scum, the scum now knows who's the doctor, so it's guaranteed game over. 

Unless you can confirm beyond the shadow of a doubt who is scum, I wouldn't claim doctor at 4p MYLO like that.

[Hapah]

But I look really towny!

[Jim Groovester]

Day's over.

Will process shortly.

In the meantime, no posting.

Nevermind, you can post if you want to. Just bear in mind that the votes as they stand right now are what I'm going to end the day on.

[Shakerag]

Yay scumteam.

[Jim Groovester]

The extra lives approach the final boss' chambers. Hapah pulls out his ninja sword and blocks Shakerag's way.

"You won't go any further." Hapah says. "It's you. It's always been you."

"You can't do this. I'm an extra life!" Shakerag pleads.

"I agree with Hapah. You have to go." Tiruin says.

And before Shakerag can protest Tiruin boots him into a bottomless pit.

Hapah grins before he hears the telling sounds of an (extra) life lost.

Hapah turns his sword to Tiruin. Tiruin laughs. "How will you fight me when you can't even move?"

Hapah collapses to the ground, limp. He manages to turn his head upward, anger and loathing in his eyes. "The controller!"

"Yep." Tiruin says, look of smug victory on his face.

"You'll never get away with this!" Hapah gasps, his face red from struggling.

"Looks like I already have." Tiruin rolls Hapah's body into the bottomless pit.

The extra life counter ticks down from one to zero.

GAME OVER

The extra lives have failed. Now the kid has to do his chores!


Shakerag has been lynched. He was an Extra Life (Vanilla Town)!

The Scum Team, Flying Dice, Enemy Ninja (Godfather), and Tiruin, The Controller (Roleblocker), has won!

The Town Team has lost!

Scum Chat
Dead Chat

[Jim Groovester]

Actions:

Spoiler: Night 1 (click to show/hide)

Flying Dice and Tiruin

It's the boss battle, the perfect time to wreak havoc on these ninjas and make their (extra) lives difficult.

Flying Dice shakes up the boss's attacks, and makes them more intelligent. It'll be striking down Theodolus in no time.

Meanwhile, Tiruin is acting up around Shakerag. Already he's starting to move in jittery and unresponsive ways. If Shakerag was going to do anything, he won't anymore.

Flying Dice nightkills Theodolus. Tiruin roleblocks Shakerag.

Chaos Armor

It's the boss battle, a particularly dangerous time for ninjas like you and their (extra) lives.

You bring the older brother's skill and expertise to use on Theodolus. If he gets attacked by the boss, you'll save him.

You protect Theodolus.

IronyOwl

It's the boss battle, a particularly dangerous time for ninjas like you and their (extra) lives.

And a perfect time to see who's fair while they're distracted with the boss. You hang around Chaos Armor for a while, and see nothing unfair about him. He's a ninja on your side.

You inspect Chaos Armor, and you find he is town.

Spoiler: Night 2 (click to show/hide)

Flying Dice & Tiruin

You're all fighting some statue thing. Or at the very least pretending to.

Flying Dice telegraphs to the boss where to strike, with his sights set on IronyOwl. The boss shoots three projectiles at a time, and IronyOwl won't be able to dodge forever.

Meanwhile, Tiruin mimics a power fluctuation. The input to the controller varies wildly, causing Chaos Armor to dance a glitchy dance. Whatever he was planning will no doubt fail as he busts an unintentional move.

Chaos Armor

You're all fighting some statue thing.

You gift Theodolus with the power of skill. He starts flipping around and dodging stuff like a ninja. Like a real one, not one controlled by a kid with mediocre video game skills. He'll be safe during the boss battle.

IronyOwl

You're all fighting some statue thing.

You've got a sense that Tiruin isn't playing fair. You start sniffing around Tiruin and- Hey! His ninja clothes are red and not blue like the rest of yours! He's definitely not playing fair, that scum!

In your surprise you fail to notice the three projectiles that were fired at you. You are knocked unconscious into a bottomless pit.

You are dead. You can discuss the details of the game in dead chat.

Spoiler: Night 3 (click to show/hide)

Tiruin

During the boss fight you hit ↑ ↑ ↓ ↓ ← → ← → B A Start as fast as you can. It does nothing! This is a Tecmo game!

So instead you make Chaos Armor do the glitchy chicken again and get ready to 'accidentally' show Theodolus the effects of hitbox collision between him and the boss.

Chaos Armor

You keep your eyes on Theodolus during the boss battle. At a moment's notice you're ready to give him some skill that just might save his (extra) life.

Spoiler: Night 4 (click to show/hide)

Tiruin

With the kid's extra lives running out you can act more openly.

You simply stop working for Hapah. He falls over in a heap of no input. Meanwhile, you kick Chaos Armor in the shin and set him up for a nice blow from the boss.

Chaos Armor

With the extra lives running out, your skill is needed now more than ever.

You decide that Hapah is a worthy target of your skill. As you gift Hapah with older brother reflexes, something hits you in the shin and then the boss pounds you through the floor. There's about as much below the level as you'd expect. You start falling endlessly.

You are dead. You can discuss the details of the game in dead chat.

[Urist Imiknorris]

Always. Scum. Retroactively if need be.

[IronyOwl]

Very well played, Tiruin. You outmaneuvered the IC. D: