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MetalGear

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No more self-entombing builders?
« on: May 27, 2012, 09:59:59 pm »

From Toady's post on the front page...
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wall/floodgate/etc. builders often make more reasonable decisions about where to stand to avoid walling themselves in
Does that mean I will no longer have to resort to silly tricks like designating and suspending walls to get the dorfs to stay on the right side?
*sigh* I'm gonna miss those times. (Well, not really...)
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Re: No more self-entombing builders?
« Reply #1 on: May 27, 2012, 10:11:10 pm »

Its the end of an era...  :-\
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Re: No more self-entombing builders?
« Reply #2 on: May 27, 2012, 10:14:44 pm »

Leaps and strides.
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Re: No more self-entombing builders?
« Reply #3 on: May 27, 2012, 10:53:58 pm »

I dunno, I think it's going to get even more annoying. Sure, if one side has a path to the meeting hall and the other doesn't, then the choice is obvious; but there are many situations where that doesn't really help. Also, you could no longer get vampires to wall themselves into rooms, which is worth the annoyance just to see and chuckle at.
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Re: No more self-entombing builders?
« Reply #4 on: May 27, 2012, 10:57:01 pm »

Begin a new era of even less reliable building methods.  The N/E rules no longer apply!  Wallers will now wall at will, everywhere all the time!  Usher in the new age of disorder, chaos, mayhem, and redundancy!

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Re: No more self-entombing builders?
« Reply #5 on: May 27, 2012, 11:09:30 pm »

His builders are probably thinking: "Make sense? Oh what fun is there in making sense?"
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Re: No more self-entombing builders?
« Reply #6 on: May 27, 2012, 11:18:05 pm »

Why make sense when you can make *Sense Tallow Roasts* with finely minced sense tripe, exceptionally minced sense sweetbread, and finely minced sense tallow?
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Re: No more self-entombing builders?
« Reply #7 on: May 27, 2012, 11:41:45 pm »

Yeah, in a way, I kind of like the predictability of the old way.  I know it sucks for teh noobs, but having a known quantity when you understand that a dwarf will always prefer the west side of any wall in construction means that you can just use the workaround of designating a wall for construction then suspending construction to always manage where a dwarf will stand. 

Of course, given the way he talked about it in the FotF,
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then it really should be OK to just ignore it in most circumstances, since the dwarf will be building the wall from the direction they approached the wall from, which would be the most intuitive direction, and as long as you keep the building materials on the side of the wall you want them to be building from, it should be fairly controllable under most circumstances, as well.  I just get the premonition, however, that some dwarves will do a traffic sidestep and wall themselves in occasionally for that.
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Re: No more self-entombing builders?
« Reply #8 on: May 28, 2012, 01:54:05 am »

This can only end in dwarves killing themselves in even more amusing ways.
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Re: No more self-entombing builders?
« Reply #9 on: May 28, 2012, 03:02:46 am »

I never really had many problems with dwarves walling themselves in since I keep a close eye on construction problem. To me, the real annoyance is watching two dwarves deconstruct floors out from under one another.

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That's the thing from this batch that I'm most happy about; it made block scaffolding impossible to use without risking badly injured dwarves.
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Re: No more self-entombing builders?
« Reply #10 on: May 28, 2012, 04:59:43 am »

no more work for the doctors, too bad
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Re: No more self-entombing builders?
« Reply #11 on: May 28, 2012, 07:49:35 am »

I never really had many problems with dwarves walling themselves in since I keep a close eye on construction problem. To me, the real annoyance is watching two dwarves deconstruct floors out from under one another.

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•stopped deconstructors from dropping items on their heads at times

That's the thing from this batch that I'm most happy about; it made block scaffolding impossible to use without risking badly injured dwarves.
There's also a bunch of tricks that could be used to prevent self-entombing pretty efficiently, like "building" and suspending a wall where you don't want the builder to go.
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Unfortunately, the same doesn't apply to deconstructors unwittingly causing a cave-in or pulling the floor from under each other's feet...
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