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[Parsely]

Pleeeeaaasssee?

[IronyOwl]

Oh wait, I actually came up with a system for this, sort of. It's dead simple, though.


Every unit has HP and an Attack value. They can also have special abilities.

An army is just the accumulation of its units. So if you add three infantry with 2 HP and 1 Att, two heavies with 4 HP, 1 Att, and the Suppression I ability, and a commander with 2 HP, 2 Att, and the Armor II and Sniper I abilities, you get an army that functions like a unit with:

16 HP (2+2+2+4+4+2)
7 Att (1+1+1+1+1+2)

Suppression II
Armor II
Sniper I


Traits could work the same way. The above army might have the Infantry VI, Hero I, Heavy II, Light III, Biological VI, and Human VI tags, for instance.

Anti-X abilities couldn't function at a higher level than a unit's tags; so for instance, if an opposing army had Concussion IX (+9 dmg vs Heavy), they could only function at Concussion II because there were only two heavies to deal damage against.

Alternatively, anti-X abilities could deal their bonus damage directly to the units in question.


Speaking of which, combat. Each side rolls a d6. The winner deals its attack score in damage to the loser. Repeat. Each side damages the other on a tie.

Casualties are dealt with by assigning damage to the next unit with the worst Att:HP ratio, so meatshields go down first. Alternatively you could let the defender sacrifice units at will, presumably to preserve special abilities on otherwise beefy and undermuscled units.

A unit must be slain completely before damage can be assigned elsewhere, however; you can't spread out a point of damage to everyone to keep them all alive. This might be waived if there were a lot of "directly damage Unit X" abilities, but as it stands I think that'd just make the game swingier, since you'd basically have that grace period where you're dropping everything to 1 HP, and then the losing side needs to start shedding troops and thus attack damage.


Originally designed (and then tweaked slightly) for the mindless waves in a MOBA-thingy, so very simplistic and lacking any kind of battle-level strategy, but it's a thing.

[Parsely]

Thats interesting, if perhaps not what I was looking for. Can you give me some examples of what those tags would do?

[IronyOwl]

The tags aren't well defined because I mostly invented them on the spot, but:

Heavy and Light strike me as very fundamental tags based on a unit's general construction. A lot of abilities might deal bonus damage to Heavy or Light units, and a lot of units might be Heavy or Light.
Biological and Mechanical strike me as similar, though most units would probably be Biological so that might be overpowered. They also strike me as more likely to accommodate special abilities, like healing that only works on Biological or EMP that only stuns Mechanical.
Human feels like basically a "The Manhunter and Humanity's Finest special abilities trigger against this" tag.

Essentially, to me most tags don't do anything on their own, they just work as criteria for other abilities. It'd probably be relatively easy to implement more inherently meaningful tags, though.

[Parsely]

Thats a really cool system you've got Irony! Its something that you could really pick up and run with. I might use that for something else, but for the current request I'm still open to more ideas.

[Rolepgeek]

I think I get what you're looking for, so give me a couple hours and I'll see what I can come up with.

Different note: so, I can't figure out if I should use a grid or hex-based map for this medieval fantasy game I'm wanting to make. It has both strategic and tactical maps, and grid based tends to be better for formations and shit while hex is better for accurate movement and ranges.

[Parsely]

I think I get what you're looking for, so give me a couple hours and I'll see what I can come up with.

Different note: so, I can't figure out if I should use a grid or hex-based map for this medieval fantasy game I'm wanting to make. It has both strategic and tactical maps, and grid based tends to be better for formations and shit while hex is better for accurate movement and ranges.

Looking forward to what you've got.

I like grids, personally.

[sjm9876]

... Damn, now the strategy game I was going to do will look like a complete rip-off. But still, looks awesome if I do say so myself.

[10ebbor10]

I think I get what you're looking for, so give me a couple hours and I'll see what I can come up with.

Different note: so, I can't figure out if I should use a grid or hex-based map for this medieval fantasy game I'm wanting to make. It has both strategic and tactical maps, and grid based tends to be better for formations and shit while hex is better for accurate movement and ranges.

Use octahedrons.

More serious, are the numbers that important, you could just use descriptions.

... Damn, now the strategy game I was going to do will look like a complete rip-off. But still, looks awesome if I do say so myself.

It's not a rip-off, it's a homage.

[Parsely]

... Damn, now the strategy game I was going to do will look like a complete rip-off. But still, looks awesome if I do say so myself.

What do you mean?

[sjm9876]

... Damn, now the strategy game I was going to do will look like a complete rip-off. But still, looks awesome if I do say so myself.

What do you mean?

Was planning to do something like this soonish anyway.  Hence why it's awesome

[Parsely]

... Damn, now the strategy game I was going to do will look like a complete rip-off. But still, looks awesome if I do say so myself.

What do you mean?

Was planning to do something like this soonish anyway.  Hence why it's awesome

You were planning to do something like Irony's idea?

[sjm9876]

... Damn, now the strategy game I was going to do will look like a complete rip-off. But still, looks awesome if I do say so myself.

What do you mean?

Was planning to do something like this soonish anyway.  Hence why it's awesome

You were planning to do something like Irony's idea?

Aye, similar. Not immediately, as I'm going away soon, but when I get back. Though if anyone else is running it I have no issues.

Spoiler: The idea. (click to show/hide)

The basic system I had was that each unit had a health and attack value. A generic swordsman (fantasy setting, mostly) would have 10 Health and 3 Attack.
A combat 'round' would consist of each opposing unit (which could be a single person, or full scale army) rolling 1d20 to decide who 'wins' the round. they would then inflict 1d4 * attack on the loser - so a typical swordsman could take 2 hits on average, maybe a couple more, maybe just one.

Units also have tags. Some are present on all units, such as
[light/medium/heavy] - as read
[slow/medium/fast] - also as read
[melee/medium/long/everywhere] - range
And race.

Others would include elements, nature of a unit (eg, a golem would have the [mechanical] tag), etc...
The tags, apart from speed and range, would mostly affect the abilities of other units.
Abilities are particular moves available to individual units - such as wind mages perhaps being able to summon up a gale to push back 'light' units, but not heavies.
There would also be hero characters, who would grant special bonuses, abilities, and tags.
Individual characters within a unit would also gain experience, split evenly between all the troops at the end of the fight. When enough health is removed from a unit to kill one component character, the least experienced would be killed first. Sufficiently experienced heroes would have their own battle histories, and perhaps even become hero characters themselves.

I hadn't yet decided whether it should be text or grid based.

This would be set in the same world as the game in my sig, because I like the world and plan to make it persistent.
And it would also be quite fun for a bit of crossover.

[Rolepgeek]

Alright. I was planning on making a medieval fantasy type game with all of the customization for your troops, so this would work in a fairly similar manner.

Basically, you make a unit by combining aspects/tags/whatever you want to call them. There are two types. Optional, and required. Optional ones can usually be added to anything, give a bonus, and usually stack. They represent things like equipment or skills. Required ones have to be had, and many of them cannot both be on the same, though in some cases, you can have two required traits from the same category.

I wasn't planning on science fiction, so this is an incredibly basic example using arbitrary numbers, but:

Mechanised Infantry Squad
10x Infantry (R); Cost: 10 MP, 50 CR; Move: 5, HP: 20; Range: Melee, Damage: 10, Infantry, Biological
10x Light Armor (R); Cost: 30 CR; Move: -1, HP: +10, AR: 10
7x Assault Rifle (O); Cost: 35 CR Range: Medium Damage: +30, Automatic, Firing Modes(Range: Long, Damage: +20)
2x RPG (O); Cost: 30 CR Range: Long, Damage: +60, Single-Shot, Explosive, Shaped Charge, Heavy
1x LMG (O); Cost: 10 CR Range: Long, Damage: +10, Automatic, Suppression, Heavy,
10x Grenades (O); Cost: 20 CR Range: Short, Damage: +20, One-Use, Explosive, Concussive, In-Direct
10x Pistol (O); Cost: 15 CR; Range: Short, Damage: +20, Light, Fast
10x Knife (O); Cost: 5 CR; Range: Melee, Damage: +20, Fast
+
Transport
Wheeled Vehicle(R); Cost: 4 MP, 200 CR; Move: 15, HP: 130; Range: Melee, Damage: 30, Wheels, Vehicle
Medium Armor (R); Cost: 80 CR; Move: -2, HP: +20, AR: 10, Environmental, Passive
10x Transport Capacity(O); Cost: 100 CR; Move: -1, HP: +50, Environmental
Turreted HMG (O); Cost: 30 CR; Range: Long, Damage: +25, Automatic, Suppression, Heavy, Turreted, Gunner

These are two units that act together, and cost 605 CR and 14 MP overall. It is a generalist unit, without a leader, and can get where they are needed quickly.
The abilities do different things that act differently, there are various uses of cover and such, armor should be decently simple, though it requires some wrangling to make pistols better than assault rifles up close.

[Parsely]

Oh wow. Thats pretty cool. I'll just copy-paste that into a document if you don't mind.. Thanks!